 BartendingBear says: Makes sense to me. Since JC was (and still is) the most famous victim of torture in human history (an entire religion has formed around it, remember the cross, anyone?) one can not claim to be a Christian and support torture. Might as well rip entire pages of the gospels out and burn them. Religion can justify the most heinous of crimes while claiming to be the paragons of morality. I want to keep popping this. I have been feeling this and thinking this for the past couple of years.... alternating between anger and despair. What has happened to our world? I hope that our children forgive us, because we are not leaving them much of a friendly world to live in at this point. Religion can be used by men with no conscience to justify what cannot be justified. They are often only people who only believe in themselves, with their 'religion' having all of the substance of a Halloween mask. They get an insane idea that god is the perfect alibi, but their actions make it clear to people there is no truth in them. They invite people to believe that the god, and faith they promote is a curse. In law it's known as slander, defamation, and libel. But they wear such expensive suits, and wear a lot of makeup, and the way they smile....like crocodiles. The absence of comments by the morally upright BushCo supporting right-wingers here on ClipMarks on this topic is deafening. Pat Robertson George Bush and their ilk aren't about religion or Jesus Christ, they are about Power. Period. Religious institutions, the Bible, the name of God and the body of Christ are the the foundations upon which they stand. Law 32: Play to People's Fantasies [and fears] "Judgment: The truth is often avoided because it is ugly and unpleasant. Never appeal to truth and reality unless you are prepared for the anger that comes from disenchantment. Life is so harsh and distressing that people who can manufacture romance or conjure up fantasy are like oases in the desert: everyone flocks to them. There is great power in tapping in to the fantasies [and fears] of the masses." - The Con... Reminds me of the time Jesus said something like, "You cross land and sea to make a convert, and you make him tenfold more a child of hell than you are." I guess the bottom line in "Who would Jesus torture?" is, 'everyone who doesn't believe he died a couple thousand years ago to redeem our sins.' It's not enough that those who do believe, get redeemed to heaven; but those who don't believe must for some reason be tortured. I wonder why the torture...? Aces, you've accurately expressed a view common among modernist evangelicals, but one that's not at all clear from Christian Scriptures themselves unless read through cultural assumptions. Aces, you've accurately expressed a view common among modernist evangelicals, but one that's not at all clear from Christian Scriptures themselves unless read through cultural assumptions.Intuitively, I know its only about the control and the money. Imagine a religion that says, "hey, you don't have to follow our religion or believe in our god, just be a good person and you'll go to heaven." It might have many followers, but it won't be very wealthy! It's just not competitive for the minds and money of its followers. It might even be killed by the other religions. Intuitively, I know its only about the control and the money. Imagine aIntuitively? Really, AL. You're arguing like a fundamentalist. Jesus rejects power at every turn. It's the essence of the temptations. This institution called Christianity - the founding of which may not have been his intent - has fallen head-over-heels in love with money and power, you're right. But Jesus is the guy who avoided Jerusalem, preferring nowhere Nazareth, choosing the company of the powerless and poor. That's why religious people hated him so much... Intuitively? Really, AL. You're arguing like a fundamentalist.You mean by quoting action authorized by scripture? Remember the examples I gave (thread: Muslims don't hate the USA) citing where god sanctions taking scarce resources from others? (American settlers killing the Indian for the land; the Jews claiming god gave them that land, etc., to wit  "Is it not right that whatever your god Chemosh expropriates for you [yorisheka], you should possess; and that everything that Yahweh our God expropriates for us, we should possess?" So when I say: "Intuitively, I know its only about the control and the money", I'm not doing so on faith, but... |
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