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9-23-2006 11:29 PM
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Kore7 says:
Part 1 of an exclusive by the LA Times on self-admitted detainee abuse and deaths at the hands of US Special Forces. The subsequent military cover-ups could go as far back as 2002.
Most of the bases singled out by the agency were under the control of National Guardsmen with the Alabama-based 20th Special Forces Group. The compound at Gardez, then occupied by ODA 2021, was portrayed as one of the worst. Detainees there alleged they were beaten, kicked, doused with cold water and deprived of sleep for days at a time.
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"You have so much freedom and authority over there," one member of ODA 2021 said. "It kind of makes you feel like God when you're out there in cowboy and Indian country."
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9-25-2006 10:25 PM
Kore7
Part 2 of this investigation.
Within days of the Wazi killing, an 18-year-old Afghan army recruit named Jamal Naseer died after being interrogated at the team's firebase in Gardez, about 25 miles to the north. Multiple witnesses say his body showed signs of severe beating and other abuse. His brother and six others also held at Gardez say they were tortured.

The commander over all Special Forces in Afghanistan at the time, then-Col. James G. "Greg" Champion, said in a brief interview that neither death was reported up the chain of command. Champion, a National Guar...
9-26-2006 12:43 PM
bgclips
Shameful behavior...way too much of it!
9-26-2006 2:03 PM
skwirlinator
I say "So What"
Enemy is called that for a reason.
9-26-2006 2:25 PM
egoldstein
Slowly but surely we are acting like the people we call "enemies" and we're doing it all in the name of fighting against them. I think this is terribly detrimental to the U.S. and the world.

We are a civilized society who lives by a set of rules. And those rules, though sometimes incredibly inconvenient and frustrating, serve a great purpose of guiding us through changing times.

In my opinion, as we disregard those rules we disregard the standards and ideals that originally defined this country.
9-26-2006 2:29 PM
lguinn
We betray our values when we do this. How do we expect the rest of the world to respect us?

We cannot win by being more evil than the people we are fighting.
9-26-2006 5:20 PM
Godfrey Daniel
Amazing, revealing, and disgusting how quickly and eagerly these accusations, based on the word of the enemy, are taken at at face value and believed.

Makes me sick.
9-26-2006 7:26 PM
skwirlinator
bravo!
9-26-2006 9:12 PM
enbar
By "enemy," I presume you mean Afghans. Actually, nothing in the article is sourced to Afghans. It's all internal U.S. military records.
9-26-2006 9:40 PM
jklugman
these accusations, based on the word of the enemy,
Wrong.

18-year old Jamal Naseer was captured/kidnapped by Special Forces members, along with his brother, Ahmad Naseer, who used to work for the war lord Pacha Khan and defected to the Americans/Afghan government. According to Ahmad (remember, he was at the time working for the Afghan government), both brothers were tortured by Special Forces. Jamal died in custody. The Special Forces blamed it on an STD, but the condition of his body suggests otherwise:

A hospital worker who prepared the body for burial said in an interview that "it was completely black." Hajji Abdul Qayum said Jamal's face was "dark and looked ...
9-26-2006 11:58 PM
Godfrey Daniel
"Several other detainees allege that they were badly beaten or tortured while held at the base in Gardez."
9-27-2006 12:21 AM
jklugman
Unfortunately, given the current practices of the military, detainees are not necessarily enemies of the United States.
9-27-2006 9:13 AM
enbar
"Several other detainees allege that they were badly beaten or tortured while held at the base in Gardez."
Ah, so that sentence is what's objectionable about the article.
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