 AcesLucky says: ""In religion, Mr. Lincoln was about of the same opinion as Bob Ingersoll, and there is no account of his ever having changed. He went to church a few times with his family while he was President, but so far as I have been able to find out, he remained an unbeliever. Mr. Lincoln in his younger days wrote a book, in which he endeavored to prove the fallacy of the plan of salvation and the divinity of Christ." He sounds decidedly un-Republican. My how things change. What is it with this evangelical atheism. I don't believe in unicorns but I don't go around trying to get others not to believe in them. Further, Lincoln turned heavily to God when his son got sick and died. In other words, if someone is emotionally stressed, grasping at straws, and desperate beyond imagining, then whatever wild and far fetched scheme they try in DESPERATE HOPE that something might work suddenly becomes validated and proven? This is how crackpot ideas like grinding rhino dust into powder to use in potions get validation. It's how magnet therapy, crystal energy, Feng Shui, spirit talkers or what ever manage to be accepted by people. My point being, that just because people turn to this stuff in times of stress and hardship doesn't prove it real. @alanocu Lincoln seems like the kind of leader who would want to bring atheists and believers together, instead putting them at odds with one another. From what I can tell, he shows a great deal of respect and understanding for a believer, qualities we can all admire."He was very cautious never to give expression to any thought or sentiment that would grate harshly upon a Christian's ear." -- Joshua Speed, explaining at least some of Lincoln's extremely careful choice of language that was later used by Christians in attempts to "prove" Lincoln's Christian piety, in Reminiscences of Abraham Lincoln, quoted from A W Furches, personal letter to Cliff Walker (January 10, 2002) @sillysam What is it with this evangelical atheism. I don't believe in unicorns but I don't go around trying to get others not to believe in them.But that's exactly what evangelicals do! They "believe" in unicorns AND they go around trying to get others to believe in them. That's what evangelicals do! You are simply being exposed to people saying "I don't believe in unicorns"! If evangelicalism wasn't so pervasive you'd have no need for people saying "No, I don't believe in unicorns!" By the way, that's not evangelical atheism. Atheists don't go door to door or erect monuments trying to proselytize believers. Do they. @alanocu I was refering to Bitdrifter's comment that Lincoln turned to god more when his child grew sick. Desperation does not equal proof. It's not a matter of different beliefs or ideas. I was pointing out the logical failure of trying to present something as true just because someone, in desperation, tries any option available. In other words, if someone is emotionally stressed, grasping at straws, and desperate beyond imagining, then whatever wild and far fetched scheme they try in DESPERATE HOPE that something might work suddenly becomes validated and proven?In your other words, I said no such thing. To add something else up as further evidence of a claim does not in it self mean it is proven with that singular peice of evidence, it simply is a peice of information I was adding to the discussion. Atheists don't go door to door or erect monuments trying to proselytize believers.Nah they just go from internet forum to internet forums erecting clips and posts trying to proselytize believers. =) BitDrifter said:Actually you did : BitDrifter)Further, Lincoln turned heavily to God when his son got sick and died.[/quote said: Ah dangit...completely butchered that last comment. Wish I could edit it for visual clarity  Actually you did :Oortcloud, you said, that I was saying, that I proved and validated Lincoln was religous because I mentioned a singular peice of information: validated and provenWhich is simply incorrect, I said no such thing. Only you did, now stop conjuring up illusions and accept reality as you so want others to do. What I posted was only a peice of information that can be aggregated with the rest to help support the claim that Lincoln had a belief in God. Since you seem to not to understand the simple difference let me lay out an example to make it more clear for you, if I said the following then you would be correct: "Further, Lincoln tur... "In the present civil war it is quite possible that God's purpose is something different from the purpose of either party" Honest Abe BitDrifter, what is your malfunction? The implication of validation is there. What other reason would you have had for typing it out except as a validation that god were real? You are trying to validate god with this example. If you don't like "validate" then maybe another word would better describe what the statement does? How about attestation, corroboration, demonstration, substantiation, proof, testimony, or verification. The reading of your phrase implied you were trying to help verify the belief in god by a man's action or reaction to circumstances. The statement was attempting to validate god through Lincoln's desperation. It's a false logic. If that was not your implication, then ... BitDrifter, what is your malfunction?Making the kind assumption that you do not have one. Ah willhelm, still nothing better than retorts and rhetoric. You've not changed. I was assuming as well. |
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