 ratilfar says: And when Rep. Ben Ray Lujan (D-N.M.) held a forum on health care reform he drew an overflow crowd, with a majority on the Democratic lawmaker's side. "A large majority of those present at the first discussion applauded Lujan when he stressed several times that he was in favor of a public option and when Lujan and other panelists criticized insurance companies." Yay for buses. Yeah, because there is no way that the sane outnumber the insane in America. Go figure. Also public transportation is a good thing. Funny how the term astroturf has suddenly stopped being used when the left has to start busing in their supporters. You got any proof to back up your claims? And funny how that doesn't change the fact that the Right is still astroturfing. The right is doing way less astroturfing than the left. Not only do you offer no proof that the Left is astroturfing but reinforce the fact that the Right is. Good job! Bringing your people in on buses is astroturfing. Busing them a hundred and fifty miles is astroturfing. Matching t-shirts and signs all from SEIU or ACORN is astroturfing. That's not astroturfing. Wearing matching shirts is not astroturfring. Its using professional lobbyist to create FAKE demos and FAKE presence especially when they want to appear as grassroots organizations. Astroturfing is a word in English describing formal political, advertising, or public relations campaigns seeking to create the impression of being spontaneous "grassroots" behavior, hence the reference to the artificial grass, AstroTurf.
In fact wearing shirts with SEUI and ACORN logos is something that is not astroturfing because one of the features of astroturfing (at least one of the most controversial) is creating the illusion of a front organization. When you see someone with an Union shirt or an ACORN shirt, you know exactly were they come from, they are not trying to hide it. You don't know that they are just fronts for the drug companies and that five times as much money is being spent in support of Obamacare as against it. Matching t-shirts and signs all from SEIU or ACORN is astroturfing.SEIU is a union of service employees: hotel employees, daycare workers, and home health care workers. That's the "SE", in case you didn't know. ACORN is a grassroots organization of low-income urban residents, mostly of color. They are the opposite of astroturf. They are the grassroots. Grassroots is spontaneous. Astroturf is a preplanned attempt to make it look like there are more supporters for your side than there really are. When you have to bus in people from over a hundred miles away, you are astroturfing. ACORN isn't grassroots, they pay their members. They are astroturf all the way. On top of that, the SEIU and ACORN (along with others) are in bed with the big drug companies who have made deals with Obama concerning Obamacare. And because of that deal, there has been over five times as much spending in support of Obamacare as there has been against it. Yet Obama still whines that he can't get his message out. Anyway, deep pockets paying people to ride buses long di... And since the Town Hallerz are not spontaneous, that makes them Astroturf. And considering that it's been the Right Wing that have been caught busing in Republican't Party employees to pretend to be local people at the town halls, rather than the Left Wing, I'd tread lightly on the "busing in" issue if I were you, n2sooners. Not that you've shown any common sense on Clipmarks before.... I just thought, maybe for a first time.... How many of these protests have you attended? How 'bout some simple wiki for you, sooners. "A grassroots movement (often referenced in the context of a political movement) is one driven by the politics of a community." "Astroturfing means to mimic a grassroots movement, with the powerful lobbyists behind the movement hiding their agenda by pretending to be individuals voicing their opinions." ACORN isn't grassroots*facepalm* It is the definition of a grassroots organization. Do you know how they get members? By knocking on doors, thousands and thousands of doors, in working and poverty class urban neighborhoods. they pay their members.LOfreakingL.... http://bit.ly/UlRxo a new coalition called Americans for Stable Quality Care--which includes the SEIU, American Medical Association (AMA), PhRMA, the Federation of American Hospitals and FamiliesUSA--will launch their first ad today as part of an August recess campaign for health care reform.Who is PhRMA? * AstraZenecaJust a few of the bigger names. And why would those companies be b... This alliance between SEIU and PhRMA (I don't know why you included ACORN) is a one-shot deal; there has been no relationship prior to the health care debate. SEIU is the largest union of health care workers in the country, you know. I've worked in organizing long enough to know that in any political battle, you must find allies, even if they are somewhat loathsome to your worldview. You get done what you can get done. I'm assuming that the goal of SEIU is to get reform passed. When Social Security was passed, it didn't cover many workers that it covers now (farmers, government workers, teachers, domestic workers, hospital employees, social workers, librarians). The point is to get t... No, SEIU is a union and in many states you have no choice but to pay those dues. It isn't grass roots at all. ACORN does have some volunteers, but they also have many on the payrolls. They are a corrupt organization with many corporate backers. And can you provide any evidence whatsoever that even half those showing up in opposition to health care at these town hall meetings are being astroturfed? I have shown the link between big PhRMA and Obamacare supporters. Where are your links? Don't try to educate me about ACORN and SEIU, sooners. I know both organizations intimately. Links to the anti-reform astroturfers: 60 Plus Freedom Works Conservatives for Patients Rights Coalition to Protect Patients Rights Happy reading. They're behind it because in a side-deal to try to bring Republican'ts on board, they pulled a slimy side-deal with drug companies that will not put any restrictions on drug prices. In other words, Obama sold out. But, if people make a stink about it, they can still bring back meaningful healthcare reform, including controls on drug prices and a return of the Public Option. As for if I've ever been to any of the town hall meetings, how is that even the least bit relevant? I'm not an American. I'm a Canadian who wants his many American friends to have decent healthcare for a change, like I have. I'm someone who knows that all the lies that are being spread about Canadian healthcare in the U... Oh, I suppose you could be an executive of a Big Insurance or Big Drug company, eager to keep his bonuses high at the expense of the common American, too. |
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