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9-2-2007 6:07 PM
kkcapricorn
I am in total agreement. For the past decade I have been trying to cleanse my Karma, after my teen years in the 60's (enough said)
9-3-2007 10:19 AM
AcesLucky
Wouldn't it be nice if Karma was true?
9-3-2007 11:58 AM
laceym
9-3-2007 6:36 PM
md12959
Karma seems eminently true by simply observing the way things actually work, quite unlike foggy religious sentgiments such as a personal God or an invisible savior.
9-3-2007 6:59 PM
AcesLucky
Karma seems eminently true by simply observing the way things actually work,
How's that?
9-3-2007 7:50 PM
duvelic
Mostly karma is explained as law of cause and effect.
Following is from Bashar text and is not common explanation of karma.

...
Karma is broken when you realize that Karma is yours to break. That’s all it is. The realization that you are free from Karma – frees you from Karma.
When you know that you are free to determine who you are at every moment, that recognition breaks the karmic tie.
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Q: Can you explain to me how karma works?

B: It is completely self-imposed, first of all. Karma is your cognition of the continuance of the momentum of an idea that perhaps, in a sense, as you say, was begun in one life and may need to be balanced and/or finalized in another life. But it is simply y...
9-3-2007 10:51 PM
Oortcloud
I'm thinking Karma is about as real as prayer is.
9-3-2007 11:48 PM
md12959
There is a saying in the New Testament by Paul (paraphrased): "The very thing I want, I do not do. The thing I do not want, I do." Many Christians have understood this to reflect the "base sinful nature" of mankind. To me, it is a reflection of the law of karma at work. Whether we desire to have a thing, OR to shun a thing, that energy toward it ensures it will be with us. ANY energy toward it -- to shun or to embrace -- draws it close or closer. Our action results in the consequence of the thing being with us. It ceases being with us the moment we no longer exert energy in its direction. Now if only I could harness what seems to be so real to me!
9-4-2007 12:43 AM
AcesLucky
Karma is your cognition of the continuance of the momentum of an idea that perhaps, in a sense, as you say, was begun in one life and may need to be balanced and/or finalized in another life.
It is clear that for the concept of karma to make sense, you'd have to extend it to a belief in reincarnation, and in such a way that your good/bad baggage stays with you.

If I may coin a phrase from laceym...

woo-woo!
9-4-2007 6:47 AM
duvelic
woo-woo?
Please can you let me know which comprehensive knowlage makes you so sure about this topic. I want to learn...
9-4-2007 11:30 AM
AcesLucky
woo-woo?
Please can you let me know which comprehensive knowlage makes you so sure about this topic. I want to learn...
It requires magical thinking before you even get to the good / bad staying with you part.

It assumes there is a natural Debit / Credit column for each life and that it all somehow is supposed to "balance out" either naturally or via a grand accountant over an indeterminable span of lives.

What span of lives?

It presupposes that bad things (and good things) are equally bad for every person and situation. Otherwise how could the karmic accounts be reconciled against each other karmic account?

It sounds good because it implies an overall just...
9-4-2007 1:04 PM
duvelic
It presupposes that bad things (and good things) are equally bad for every person and situation. Otherwise how could the karmic accounts be reconciled against each other karmic account?
There are very different views of this topic, and some are exceedingly entangled.

For example you can see that Bashar has no this presupposing. Just opposite. Did you read:
http://www.deusto.com/Allthatis/ ?

When you know that you are free to determine who you are at every moment, that recognition breaks the karmic tie.
It is (karma) completely SELF-IMPOSED, first of all. Karma is
YOUR COGNITION
of the continuance of the momentum of an idea ...
9-4-2007 4:45 PM
AcesLucky
By this - it is up to you and only you if and how karmic laws will affect you.
Then it is entirely possible to commit evil upon another person, while being free of the karmic consequences.

Perhaps the karma of which Bashar speaks is the breaking of the illusion of ego.
9-4-2007 6:24 PM
duvelic
Then it is entirely possible to commit evil upon another person, while being free of the karmic consequences.
Bashar says you are creator of your own reality, your own Universe. Considering this it means: you chose an act (evil by some definitions, but not necessary by any definition) and simultaneously you chose outcome of this act (after all - this outcome is nothing but just another act). Logically there is always some kind of outcome after any act, but not every outcome (of supposedly evil act) can be such as is typically explained as karmic consequence.
9-4-2007 7:27 PM
skwirlinator
So does it Effect or Affect us?
9-4-2007 9:51 PM
AcesLucky
Affect
9-18-2007 1:06 AM
md12959
Aces, for the record I come from a mental place that shuns superstitious belief and tosses "woo-woos" at almost all hocus pocus spirituality. But lately it has been a personal observation that what goes around comes around. I can't say everything that goes around comes around, of course. To say that veritably would require observance of things preceding and post one's lifetime. Your comment about my original statement implying reincarnation is reasonable. I don't know from reincarnation, personally. But I observe a lot of folks getting a return on their energy, and it seems karmic. So, woo-woo, huh
9-18-2007 1:38 AM
skwirlinator
I should sue karma too!
9-18-2007 3:58 AM
AcesLucky
But I observe a lot of folks getting a return on their energy, and it seems karmic.
I know it seems karmic. I used to believe in karma too. In fact, I prefer a grand karmic method to the universe than an arbitrary decider (a god, e.g.).

The desire for ultimate justice that is automatic is reassuring that we are special, and not at the mercy of life. It's nice to think that when we die, we continue on.

It's nice to think that evil people will ultimately get their just deserts, and good people will be rewarded.

And so, when we see anything that resembles these niceties, we use them to confirm our desire, to confirm our bias for a want of ultimate justice.

I like it becau...
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