So, the system which left you with a daughter at risk, because of your poor mate picking, is the one you support so millions of others who are not as bad at picking mates but equally bad when it comes to picking bosses... they too can enjoy the stress, worry, depression, and far worse that you wrongly endured as a women beholden to a shiftless man. Great rational thinking, jat. Great.

Underinsured? That would be somebody who carries a $10,000 deductible and all the insurance company pays next to nothing trimmings that go with it because the much more desirable $2000 deductible costs 4 times as much on a monthly basis. Now, when push come to shove, does he have the $10,000? Probably not, but...

So, the system which left you with a daughter at risk, because of your poor mate picking, is the one you support so millions of others who are not as bad at picking mates but equally bad when it comes to picking bosses... they too can enjoy the stress, worry, depression, and far worse that you wrongly endured as a women beholden to a shiftless man. Great rational thinking, jat. Great.

Underinsured? That would be somebody who carries a $10,000 deductible and all the insurance company pays next to nothing trimmings that go with it because the much more desirable $2000 deductible costs 4 times as much on a monthly basis. Now, when push come to shove, does he have the $10,000? Probably not, but at least they'll let him in for follow-up treatment while he hopes his credit card company will fork out the $10,000 to keep him solvent.

So, it was your inability to construct a sentence with proper syntax to express your thought which led me to my misunderstanding and it really was your child rearing which was at fault for your daughters lack of coverage. She didn't know how to pick a good mate in spite of all the moralist christian BS I'm sure you jammed down her throat. Still, in your campaigning to support for-profit health-care which is loaded with your self-righteous moralization you love to pick on those young girls who haven't had the benefit of good parentage to salve your damaged self-image of perfect mother, rather than express true compassion for them.

As to your supposed point... yes, fraud elimination will save...

So, it was your inability to construct a sentence with proper syntax to express your thought which led me to my misunderstanding and it really was your child rearing which was at fault for your daughters lack of coverage. She didn't know how to pick a good mate in spite of all the moralist christian BS I'm sure you jammed down her throat. Still, in your campaigning to support for-profit health-care which is loaded with your self-righteous moralization you love to pick on those young girls who haven't had the benefit of good parentage to salve your damaged self-image of perfect mother, rather than express true compassion for them.

As to your supposed point... yes, fraud elimination will save dollars. That's a simple truth, so I understand why you can grasp it. To think, however, that this will somehow cure the ills of our general system of health-care administration as this statement of yours suggests...

This is how you go about getting health care under control.

is beyond foolish and genuinely into the realm of stupid.

Why am I not surprised.

[url=clipmark/3C2AF399-8CE8-4112-B1EB-DA345D742C4E/]I could say I'm following your lead, jat.[/url]

It isn't an attack, anyway. It is an honest and logical analysis of
your comment. Your self-righteous sanctimony gilded with honey because
you are just a sweet old gal who would never hurt anybody doesn't wash in the hard light of a
political arena when truth is the objective. Calling out your lack of logic on topic isn't a personal attack, it's simply exposing the supposed point you are trying to make for what it is, a fallacy. If it stings, it's because it's accurate and you can't live up to the truth of that. It destroys your little make-believe comfort zone. That goes on a lot with the fa...

[url=clipmark/3C2AF399-8CE8-4112-B1EB-DA345D742C4E/]I could say I'm following your lead, jat.[/url]

It isn't an attack, anyway. It is an honest and logical analysis of
your comment. Your self-righteous sanctimony gilded with honey because
you are just a sweet old gal who would never hurt anybody doesn't wash in the hard light of a
political arena when truth is the objective. Calling out your lack of logic on topic isn't a personal attack, it's simply exposing the supposed point you are trying to make for what it is, a fallacy. If it stings, it's because it's accurate and you can't live up to the truth of that. It destroys your little make-believe comfort zone. That goes on a lot with the faithful right.

Nobody ever learned anything because everybody always told them they were right.

An approximate breakdown of those 45.7 million uninsured.

6.4 million are on medicaid but were still counted as uninsured.
4.3 million are eligible for government assistance but aren't signed up either by choice or by ignorance (not stupidity, just that they don't know). They are technically covered because if they went to get emergency treatment they would be signed up for government assistance.
9.3 million are non-citizens.
10.1 million have incomes in excess of 3 times the poverty level. Definitely uninsured by choice.
5 million are in the 18 - 34 age range and have no children. They don't make a lot of money, but insurance in that age range is cheap and they simply choose not to make in...

An approximate breakdown of those 45.7 million uninsured.

6.4 million are on medicaid but were still counted as uninsured.
4.3 million are eligible for government assistance but aren't signed up either by choice or by ignorance (not stupidity, just that they don't know). They are technically covered because if they went to get emergency treatment they would be signed up for government assistance.
9.3 million are non-citizens.
10.1 million have incomes in excess of 3 times the poverty level. Definitely uninsured by choice.
5 million are in the 18 - 34 age range and have no children. They don't make a lot of money, but insurance in that age range is cheap and they simply choose not to make insurance a part of their budget.
10.6 million don't fall into any of the above categories.

And there are other studies that show the uninsured by choice group is even larger yet they are still lumped into the argument as a reason the government needs to take over health care.

There are some changes that need to be made, and there are some people that need help. But the number of people needing help isn't nearly as large as stated and a government take over of the health care system when 80% of Americans are happy with their insurance isn't the way to go.