Whatever you may mean by"fundamentalist Christians" I can only speculate on because you didn't reveal your definition of that group.However,I can confidently state that true Christians cannot hate freedom.Why would they,since they are the only ones that are truly free? Those that oppose Christ are the haters(of truth,of God,goodness,righteousness,law,etc.) since they are not on Christ's side.This is Christ's witness.Your conception of freedom is not a biblical one and therefore I deem your analysis to be non credible compared to Christ's

Quite a convenient thing, to be able to say "My position is unassailable because God says so".

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Whatever you may mean by"fundamentalist Christians" I can only speculate on because you didn't reveal your definition of that group.However,I can confidently state that true Christians cannot hate freedom.Why would they,since they are the only ones that are truly free? Those that oppose Christ are the haters(of truth,of God,goodness,righteousness,law,etc.) since they are not on Christ's side.This is Christ's witness.Your conception of freedom is not a biblical one and therefore I deem your analysis to be non credible compared to Christ's

Quite a convenient thing, to be able to say "My position is unassailable because God says so".

Intellectual honesty: You're doing it wrong.

The upthrust of that is that the world of the flesh is not for Christians. That means, the world of temporal power and politics is not something any Christian should dabble in, because his kingdom is yet to come.-darkeforce
"Jesus said unto them, Is it not for this cause that ye err, that ye know not the scriptures, nor the power of God?...ye therefore do greatly err." Mark 12:24,27 "yea and before governors and kings(the world of the flesh) shall ye be brought for my sake, for a testimony to them and to the Gentiles(the world of the flesh)." Matthew 10:18 1 Corinthians 3:21"Therefore let no man glory in men. ...

The upthrust of that is that the world of the flesh is not for Christians. That means, the world of temporal power and politics is not something any Christian should dabble in, because his kingdom is yet to come.-darkeforce
"Jesus said unto them, Is it not for this cause that ye err, that ye know not the scriptures, nor the power of God?...ye therefore do greatly err." Mark 12:24,27 "yea and before governors and kings(the world of the flesh) shall ye be brought for my sake, for a testimony to them and to the Gentiles(the world of the flesh)." Matthew 10:18 1 Corinthians 3:21"Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are your's;(fellowship,ownership, and stewardship while in the flesh as well as eternally)

22Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world(includes the flesh and temporal), or life(flesh and temporal), or death, or things present(includes flesh and temporal), or things to come; all are your's;(ownership and stewardship while in the flesh as well as eternally)

23And ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's." Christ's kingdom includes right here,right now,and forever.Christians are to rule over it(as much as he empowers them providentially to do it) as prophets,priests,and kings.Christians are not disallowed by God from serving him in any capacity that he shall provide for them.Paul spoke the word of God(as all Christians are commanded to do) to kings,queens,and important political people as well as to everyday folk.Now the world as yourself will not presently and never will recognize the Christians rightful ownership and stewardship until God forces you to do so but that nevertheless does not invalidate God's command for Christians to occupy until Christ's enemies are vanquished.So,it may well indeed be in a political office that God may choose to place as many of his people as he desires.You sure won't be able to stop him if that's what he wants to do.

It is horribly wrong,deceitful,blasphemous,and ignorant for you to reject any part of the word of God as being irrelevant darkeforce.Corinthians is part of the witness of the Paraclete declaring the record and message of the Christ to all men so that they may be saved. Paul is recognized by the other apostles as being an apostle and by Christ himself as being such by virtue of seeing the resurrected Christ himself and performance of such acts as accompany apostolic presence.He therefore speaks with the same authority as the twelve "as one born out of due time". Peter himself bears witness of Paul's apostoli...

It is horribly wrong,deceitful,blasphemous,and ignorant for you to reject any part of the word of God as being irrelevant darkeforce.Corinthians is part of the witness of the Paraclete declaring the record and message of the Christ to all men so that they may be saved. Paul is recognized by the other apostles as being an apostle and by Christ himself as being such by virtue of seeing the resurrected Christ himself and performance of such acts as accompany apostolic presence.He therefore speaks with the same authority as the twelve "as one born out of due time". Peter himself bears witness of Paul's apostolic wisdom contained in his writings in one of his own apostolic letters 2 Peter 3:15 "And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

16As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
Furthermore,nowhere is a child of God forbidden from bearing witness to the resurrection power of Christ; whether it be on the senate or house floor where men witness the forms of prayer to God in our political chambers daily or even at the "bully pulpit" where many of our former presidents have prayed openly presiding over our nation.

NIce clip, alexian. The revelation of Christ was liberty and freedom. When we confound the morons, they make bigger morons of themselves. It can't be helped. The confusion is based in irrationality, the irrationality that asserts Christians hate freedom makes one wonder if the thinking of such a mind is remotely healthy, considering the opening of the 'new world' and foundation of the U.S. has it's basis in Calvinist theology and individual liberty.

We can be sure that these people (leftists) believe there are new things unfolding in the world. The only new history is the history they are ignorant of. The basis of our Constitution is based in the concept of our endowed rights. Our rights D...

NIce clip, alexian. The revelation of Christ was liberty and freedom. When we confound the morons, they make bigger morons of themselves. It can't be helped. The confusion is based in irrationality, the irrationality that asserts Christians hate freedom makes one wonder if the thinking of such a mind is remotely healthy, considering the opening of the 'new world' and foundation of the U.S. has it's basis in Calvinist theology and individual liberty.

We can be sure that these people (leftists) believe there are new things unfolding in the world. The only new history is the history they are ignorant of. The basis of our Constitution is based in the concept of our endowed rights. Our rights DO NOT come from the state. I would like to urge those with the comprehension to consider things objectively that the events we are experiencing in the world today have all happened before. The Modern foundation of which is in Rousseauian philosophy, carried through the political materialists, and ultimately to the progressive fascists of the current era. America has fallen under a thick veil of fascism through the leadership of the Neocons and the bitterness of the swinging pendulum led by the progressives. Unity guided by government is fascism. Unity guided by the millions acheiving happiness by their own means and spreading their own wealth of their own volition is the ultimate liberty.

Aside: I just love it when ignorant doofuses use the word fundamentalist. They prove themseves unavailable to reality.

It's very ignorant for you to consider the entire bible to be God's word, wicketbound. Only the 5 epistles are important to Chistians; the rest is just thoughtful reading, but no law unto true Christians. That is why there is the Holy Spirit. That leads you to the parts of the bible that are truly God's word. Do you truly think that the machinations of opportunistic men for 2000 years would truly produce an unpolluted version of God's word? That's insane. God expects us to use our brains; that's why he gave them to us. If we were just supposed to follow the bible blindly, then he'd have only given us a spinal cord.

Where does Jesus ever say that the bible is God's word; especially the parts...

It's very ignorant for you to consider the entire bible to be God's word, wicketbound. Only the 5 epistles are important to Chistians; the rest is just thoughtful reading, but no law unto true Christians. That is why there is the Holy Spirit. That leads you to the parts of the bible that are truly God's word. Do you truly think that the machinations of opportunistic men for 2000 years would truly produce an unpolluted version of God's word? That's insane. God expects us to use our brains; that's why he gave them to us. If we were just supposed to follow the bible blindly, then he'd have only given us a spinal cord.

Where does Jesus ever say that the bible is God's word; especially the parts written after he ascended? You're being foolish, naïve and blasphemous to believe the entire bible is really relevant to Christians.

Feel better now after your little doggy pooter electronic release darkenoise?Now just maybe you'll take your plugs out and genuinely listen to the entire debate and/or start really reading God's word and letting it speak to you and interpret itself instead of you wresting it and reaching your own ill conceived delusions( which would be the superior choice).Wicketbound's witness to you is true along with willhelm's.Hear these men(or women) as they try to help you and stop being so self loathing.Why should you fall by God's mighty sword(as all who remain in your mindset surely will) when there is still time for a substitution for your sentence? "We are ambassadors therefore on behalf of Chris...

Feel better now after your little doggy pooter electronic release darkenoise?Now just maybe you'll take your plugs out and genuinely listen to the entire debate and/or start really reading God's word and letting it speak to you and interpret itself instead of you wresting it and reaching your own ill conceived delusions( which would be the superior choice).Wicketbound's witness to you is true along with willhelm's.Hear these men(or women) as they try to help you and stop being so self loathing.Why should you fall by God's mighty sword(as all who remain in your mindset surely will) when there is still time for a substitution for your sentence? "We are ambassadors therefore on behalf of Christ, as though God were entreating by us: we beseech you on behalf of Christ, be ye reconciled to God." 2 Corinthians 5:20

Oooh, he's calling me names now. How mature and "loving".

Theology's the problem. Once you make a life philosophy like Christianity into Religion, you steal all the benefit out of it, reducing it to a mere humanities topic; dragging out the opinions of 2000 years world of humans what they think God's word means. That is all that the bible is; the opinions of mortal people, with some secondhand information on the life of Christ. The teachings of Christ are in there, as well as the prophesies that proved Jesus was who he was, but most of the rest of the bible is just opinions; opinions of people who claimed to have spoken with God.

Do we all remember the last person who was famous fo...

Oooh, he's calling me names now. How mature and "loving".

Theology's the problem. Once you make a life philosophy like Christianity into Religion, you steal all the benefit out of it, reducing it to a mere humanities topic; dragging out the opinions of 2000 years world of humans what they think God's word means. That is all that the bible is; the opinions of mortal people, with some secondhand information on the life of Christ. The teachings of Christ are in there, as well as the prophesies that proved Jesus was who he was, but most of the rest of the bible is just opinions; opinions of people who claimed to have spoken with God.

Do we all remember the last person who was famous for saying he spoke with God? He got America and its allies into an illegal invasion and occupation of a sovereign nation, all for the cause of greed and revenge. But he says that God led him, so are we supposed to take his word as God's word? Only a moron would do that.

Likewise, it's foolish to believe that everything said in the bible is true and relevant. Remember, the bible was written by people and people have weaknesses and frailties; like prejudice and hatred and intolerance. If you think the hatred and intolerance of these days is distinctive to just this time, you are mistaken. It was just as prevalent in the times during which the bible was compiled. The bible was heavily edited by many, many people, with intentions both benign and malevolent.

Your problem is that you give Christianity any consideration theologically. You should only be taking it philosophically. That was the way it was intended.