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12-30-2006 1:27 PM
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12-30-2006 1:49 PM
Godfrey Daniel
So perverse.
12-30-2006 1:50 PM
enbar
No kidding.
12-30-2006 2:16 PM
Socratoad
And Bush is defending us from .... What?
12-30-2006 6:38 PM
themuffinman
12-30-2006 6:42 PM
themuffinman
12-30-2006 7:13 PM
debbyski
We're living in sad times, indeed, times when you can trust what Saddam Hussein says more than your own government.
That's the point, muffin.
12-30-2006 8:14 PM
Godfrey Daniel
Look at it this way, Muffinman, Clipmarks enables us to peer into this surreal parallel universe without having to leave the sanity of ours where logic applies. If you look at it that way--as entertainment--it's more amusing than annoying.
12-30-2006 8:15 PM
enbar
Wow, themuffinman, did you actually read the second link? The U.S. doesn't come across looking too good in that article either with regard to the use of sometimes-fatal torture against innocent people.

Anyhow, pointing out that Bush lied while Saddam told the truth is not the same as saying "Saddam is my hero." You'd have to be pretty much a simpleton to think that.
12-30-2006 9:25 PM
nikrocks
so he didn't lie about one thing...
12-30-2006 10:43 PM
ratilfar
Yeah, the one thing that counted! Besides, Saddam sin wasn't (at least in the eyes of the U.S. goverment) that he gassed Kurds, Shiites or Iranians, started wars of aggresion or was a brutal sadistic monster. Oh, no my friends his sin was that he bit the hand that fed him.

Put an Exocet on the side of an American frigate, no problem. Use poison gas against your enemies, well do you want German, or American expertise for that? Built a nuclear reactor, gee goly, I hope the IAF is smart enough to take that one out.

had Saddam not been stupid enough to invade Kuwait (even if he did give the Americans the heads up) he would still be the U.S. bestest pall in the whole wide world. He should hav...
12-30-2006 10:49 PM
Eaglewings
The biggest weapon of Mass Destruction in Irag was Sadaam and his family just ask an Iraqi. That WMD was removed from the planet this week and that threat is no more.
12-30-2006 11:34 PM
arifsali
Does anyone know how much this monster cost start to finish?
12-31-2006 12:04 AM
enbar
@ Eaglewings:

Here's an Iraqi's comment on this very point:
Why make things worse by insisting on Saddam's execution now? Who gains if they hang Saddam? Iran, naturally, but who else? There is a real fear that this execution will be the final blow that will shatter Iraq. Some Sunni and Shia tribes have threatened to arm their members against the Americans if Saddam is executed. Iraqis in general are watching closely to see what happens next, and quietly preparing for the worst.

This is because now, Saddam no longer represents himself or his regime. Through the constant insistence of American war propaganda, Saddam is now representative of all Sunni Arabs (never mind most of his gove...
12-31-2006 2:35 AM
thisnamecantbetaken
And make no mistake about it, this trial and verdict and execution are 100% American.
She's a smart girl that Riverbend.
12-31-2006 9:09 AM
Eaglewings
And make no mistake about it, this trial and verdict and execution are 100% American.
Nonsense
12-31-2006 9:16 AM
enbar
Nonsense
Your source for this verdict?
12-31-2006 10:10 AM
Socratoad
muffinman, you really should do yourself a favour ..... take a course on reading comprehension.
12-31-2006 10:10 AM
DecayingAngel
At last, someone has the courage to post the truth. And if anyone believes that Dubya didn't have anything to do with it--I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

The biggest liar in this whole mess is GWB and his cohort, Tony Blair. How can the exposed Bush-Blair memo be just brushed aside? The fact that these men were looking to fabricate ANY reason to attack Saddam should be a crime in itself.

The people of Iraq did not execute him. The branch of Islam that was on the opposing side of his regime did. Now Iraq will see even greater turmoil and killing, as many will seek to avenge his death. Nothing has changed there, and it never will. These conflicts go back to ancient Persia, ...
12-31-2006 1:07 PM
pwright8
I think Saddam's sin was stupidity as said by ratifar...
But I love the idea of Godfrey scouring clipmarks for entertainment in provocative posts like this. See, Godfrey, obviously this post isn't literally true, but do you really think GW would give a fuck about a gangster like Saddam if he hadn't quer'ed the American patch?
12-31-2006 1:21 PM
Godfrey Daniel
....if he hadn't quer'ed the American patch?

Not familiar with this expression, and I love learning new ones. Could you explain, please.
12-31-2006 2:05 PM
Eaglewings
An old wise man once said the blind lead the blind and then they both fall into a ditch. Once one inbraces a lie and exchanges the truth for falsehood then their thinking becomes clouded and their logic is devoid of sense and they end up wandering around in darkness not able to see the light of truth even when it hits them in the head.

Reality check. Had the UNITED STATES had any say in the capital punishment of SADAAM Hussein he would still be alive today. WE DO NOT PUT TO DEATH our own death row inmates let alone those from another state. The fact that Sadaam swung from a rope is the result of his actions and being tried in an Iraqi court not an American one. Heck we would have appointed ...
12-31-2006 2:26 PM
Socratoad
FFS Eaglewings, try not to be so naive.
12-31-2006 2:49 PM
Godfrey Daniel
You haven't evidenced that you've had success in following your own advice.
12-31-2006 3:04 PM
debbyski
I think George W. Bush and Saddam Hussein share common traits; they both are unconcerned about the suffering of others--a well-defined definition of sociopath. It appears to be a genetic defect in their moral compositions rather than conscious desires to be miserable human beings. It explains why George W. Bush would start an unnecessary war dreaming of being a modern Alexander the Great only to become a neo-Caligula who would cause hundreds of thousands to die just so he wouldn't have to admit failure.
12-31-2006 5:00 PM
Eaglewings
My pervious comment stands on its own merits. Those who seem to be wise become foolish so that the foolish would appear wise go figure. Woe be unto us when we call that which is good evil and that which is evil good. There is no redeeming grace in the now deceased Sadaam Hussein. The only thing I wish would have been done differently was for him to have been removed long ago along with all the other evil dictators around the world who abuse children, kill anyone who opposes them, commits mass murder on civilian populations just to keep themselves in power. Oh you were talking about George W Bush. WHY DIDN't YOU VOTE HIM OUT OF OFFICE? Perhaps it was because your side lost the debate? But what do I know I am just a fool.
12-31-2006 5:10 PM
arifsali
to have been removed long ago along with all the other evil dictators
around the world who abuse children, kill anyone who opposes them,
commits mass murder on civilian populations
I thought only liberals were idealists, hmm..... Are you going to find anyone who would argue with you on above?
1-2-2007 12:26 AM
seano77
Does everyone forget that Sadaam killed hundreds of thousands of his people or not?
1-2-2007 4:29 AM
RecordSage
Not everyone, seano77... just the crowd that can't recall 9/11, all of the terrorist attacks prior to that... including the people who defended the Holocaust deniers conference as a legitimate event, etc.... the rest of us however, most certainly remember what he did and even though we may not be jumping up and down with glee that the butcher of Baghdad is no longer breathing... we certainly welcome the news of his demise as a positive development... since it's one more person who want be killing thousands more ever again.
1-2-2007 4:36 AM
Godfrey Daniel
What's the matter, Mr Sage, you have a twisted ankle?
1-2-2007 8:04 AM
pwright8
GD,
You asked about the expression,:

....if he hadn't quer'ed the American patch?

My spelling may be wrong, and i can't find may examples on the internet, but here's one from T. Blair's site:

http://www.number-10.gov.uk/output/Page5752.asp

search for 'patch'

The expression is used by street traders/buskers who find their business disrupted by another trader nearby.. It doesn't require that the disrupting trader actually to 'invade' the space of the trader to queer their patch. For example, a trader selling perfume can be disrupted by a trader selling fish nearby, without any law/rule having been broken.


1-2-2007 1:50 PM
RD_Tarkus
I often wonder at how so many "clowns" come up with so much crap.

Maybe some of you should stop watching the Network news and surfing the far left web sites, and actually search for the "truth".

I am not in full agreement with Bush, but I am tired of the Bush-haters who have no brains and can only attack.

To say Bush does not care is a lie.

To say Bush lied about WMD's is also a LIE. The entire world believed it. Saddam's own generals believed it because Saddam never told THEM they were gone.

So many idiots, so little time. Oh well, you fools still have plenty of time to continue to destroy the world. Go for it.
1-2-2007 2:56 PM
debbyski
1-2-2007 3:10 PM
Godfrey Daniel
I am not in full agreement with Bush, but I am tired of the Bush-haters who have no brains and can only attack.

They've got brains, RD, their brains have just been seriously compromised by Bush Obsessive Disorder.

I know some very intelligent and otherwise balanced and perceptive people with it. I call them the BODies. One mention of the name Bush, or a simple glimpse of his image, and these BODies become irrational and transformed. it's a tragic condition.
1-2-2007 4:23 PM
debbyski
Bush Obsessive Disorder
Couldn't find any data on it. Found this though.

NIMH-NSF scholars from the Universities of Maryland, California
at Berkeley, and Stanford attribute notions about morality and
individualism to "dogmatism" and "uncertainty avoidance." Social
conservatives, in particular, were said to suffer from "mental
rigidity," a condition that, researchers assert, is probably
hard-wired, condemning traditionalists to a lifelong, cognitive
hell, with all the associated indicators for mental illness:
"decreased cognitive function, lowered self-esteem, fear, anger,
pessimism, disgust, and contempt."
1-2-2007 4:29 PM
Godfrey Daniel
I've read that. Very humorous. Great reading for a summer day at the beach.
1-2-2007 4:39 PM
debbyski
LOL GD.
Did you ever answer my question about my windows media player issue with firefox?
1-2-2007 4:41 PM
Godfrey Daniel
I must have missed it. What about it?
1-2-2007 4:52 PM
debbyski
My system is windows 98SE. I'm running firefox 2.0.0.1. I have tried to install the windows media player 9.0. The files are missing on about plugin on firefox. No luck on trying to install the files manually.
1-2-2007 5:27 PM
Godfrey Daniel
I would try the simplest first. Update your WMP to the latest version. That might be all it takes. Or, if you don't want to do that for some reason, reinstall your current version.
1-2-2007 5:34 PM
debbyski
I'll give it another whirl.
1-2-2007 5:37 PM
Godfrey Daniel
What, exactly, have you whirled?
1-2-2007 5:38 PM
Godfrey Daniel
...other than peas, of course
1-2-2007 6:04 PM
debbyski
My mouse and peas, but not at the same time; that can be messy.
1-2-2007 6:10 PM
Godfrey Daniel
No, seriously, what do you mean by another whirl? What have you tried?
1-2-2007 6:18 PM
debbyski
Crap,
I've tried installing it again for the 4th time and of course the files are missing. It's not going to be that easy. I may have to post on:
www.geekstogo.com
One of my favorite free tech support sites. You will see my username on there frequently.
1-2-2007 6:24 PM
Godfrey Daniel
Are you trying to reinstall the plug-in or WMP? You really need to reinstall WMP, and I really recommend getting the latest version, 11.
1-2-2007 6:27 PM
debbyski
WMP, but 11 isn't compatible with windows 98SE. I'm stuck with 9.0 on system requirements or so they say.
1-3-2007 2:49 AM
RecordSage
Win98SE? You know there's another way to spell it, debbyski - "self-abuse"
1-3-2007 10:20 AM
debbyski
1-9-2007 9:48 AM
UpStateMike
Way to stand up for a mass murderer who'd rather build another palace instead of helping out his frightened subjects.

I find it interesting that people who believe that the evil US Government is out to control their minds and lives are supporting an actual dictator who did just that!
1-9-2007 10:01 AM
enbar
Sorry UpStateMike, I missed it. Who said anything in support of Saddam?
1-9-2007 7:41 PM
Eaglewings
Debbyski's Search for the truth yielded the following:
http://www.think-aboutit.com/underground/SearchingfortheTruthUndergroundBases.htm

Being the curious type I decided to check out this site searching for truth to see what pearls of wisdom I could uncover.

What did I find?

Well I understand why these people think GWB is so bad because this search for truth site is still looking for UFO's and underground secret hiding places. Area 51 and the BIG GOVERNMENT Cover-up no wonder they think the way they think.

Beam me up Scotty there is definately no intelligent life down here.
1-9-2007 7:45 PM
Eaglewings
Enbar wrote the following:

Sorry UpStateMike, I missed it. Who said anything in support of Saddam?
Just thought I would inform those of you who have not bothered to READ THE TITLE TO THIS POST IT READS:

Saddam was right and Bush was Wrong

Therefore; if you are on the side of Bush being wrong then by default you are saying Saddam was right. Those are the one's who have showed support for Saddam but what do I know I am just a feather brain.
1-9-2007 7:48 PM
funana
Eaglewings: So you don't think that you are intelligent? Maybe very wise...

Neither Saddam nor Bush were doing right. But in the case of telling the truth about wmd ... oh my god. Saddam was telling the truth... much to my regret.
1-9-2007 8:01 PM
Ali_Muslim
Debbyski, well done, i think you hit the nail on the head here.

For me, america 'created' saddam. He became their dog (among many). Using him to attack countries the US didnt like eg iran or had interests in sucking money from eg kuwait.

When the master-dog relationship broke down and 'they fell out of love' as it were, the master turned on its dog and went to destroy it. But in doing so the evil master decided also to slaughter about 650,0000 innocent civilians as well.

ali
1-9-2007 8:46 PM
enbar
Eaglewings ... you're confused. Saying that Saddam's statements about WMD turned out to be true -- which they did -- is not the same as saying I support Saddam.
1-10-2007 2:44 AM
Eaglewings
Saying Saddam was right in any sense exalts him as well RIGHT. He wasn't right. He lied about WMD but he is not called a LIAR. HE used WMDS on his own people so he had them in fact some where found. Not what I was hoping would be found but Iran is a BIG SAND PILE And they could still be buried somewhere, or in SYRIA.

Anyway just because the whole world was misled by Hussein does not elevate him to being right. In fact He was given the opportunity to PROVE he had destroyed all his weapons that is what all the UN Resolutions were all about. He just thought that NO ONE really give a rip and he could do whatever he felt like because all the bobble head boobs in America would certainly not do an...
1-10-2007 5:01 AM
funana
Eaglewings: Who proved that the 9/11 attacks have been done by islamic terrorists? I read a lot about that issue but until today there have been no evidences for that theory.

Btw: Your use of the word Jihad is incorrect.
"Jihad, it must be emphasized, means struggle, and specifically struggle in the way of God. This struggle may take many forms, including the use of force."
Please read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad or any other encyclopedia.

And no Terrorist will fear you as long as you act as a wild stupid cowboy. Excuse me, Sir.

How about getting respect for doing good? Wouldnt that be an option too?
1-10-2007 10:43 AM
Eaglewings
Funana wrote:

How about getting respect for doing good? Wouldnt that be an option too?
Sounds like a good idea. How about those Islamic sand fleas who hide out amoungst civilians take off the black hoods and suicide vests and stop blowing up buildings, planes, trains, cars, subways, embassies and say they are sorry and will not ever do it again. I just might come to respect them.

As far as asking the United States to do good around the world. Excuse me but the United States has done more good around the world than any other nation ever in the history of mankind yet they still hate us. GO FIGURE!
1-10-2007 10:45 AM
Eaglewings
Funana wrote:
And no Terrorist will fear you as long as you act as a wild stupid cowboy. Excuse me, Sir.
And no American will love you if you go around like wild cowardly terrorists blowing up innocent people. EXUSE ME SIR!
1-10-2007 10:47 AM
Eaglewings
Who proved that the 9/11 attacks have been done by islamic terrorists?
I read a lot about that issue but until today there have been no
evidences for that theory.
Well they were not catholic, baptists, hindu, buddists, jews, or any other religion but lets see Mohammah ATA HMM ISLAM?? Perhaps that is where I got the idea they were Islamic? In fact all the 9-11 hijackers held to the Islamic faith. They certainly were not choir boys from Hobokin.
1-10-2007 11:06 AM
debbyski
Eaglewings,
I put that particular link on there because I was being sarcastic and wanted to put the most out-there link I could find.
1-10-2007 12:49 PM
Ali_Muslim
The US government is the one that did or at least facilitated 911. If you dont believe me see this video documentary produced by americans. This convinced me.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7866929448192753501&q=loose+change+recut
1-10-2007 1:15 PM
hipster
I have talked with many of the first soldiers in Iraq. The truth is many weapons of mass destruction were found...just not ever publicized. Why? Because they were the same weapons that the good old US of A supplied Saddam with when they hoped he would become an allie and start a bloodfest with Iran..the real target! Once Saddam chickened out, America (Bush) had to go get those weapons back and the easiest way was to start a trumped up war. His lies and claims of a nuclear threat and such were just that...Lies. But they were made up to recover weapons he had given to Saddam.

Bush should be impeached for his lies. He has disillusioned Americans and let us all down. Read my recently posted art...
1-10-2007 1:20 PM
funana
Eaglewings:
- A terrorist can't be a real muslim
- People with suicide vests must be desperate to do something like that. Life is not just black and white. There are shades of grey.
- I dont go around and kill innocent people.
- Pls. give me some examples of the USA doing good which means to me humanitarian help, not war.
- You didnt get my comment on 9/11: There is no evidence of terrorists and even the "hijackers" on the hijacker list have not been on board on any of the planes. Ata of cause could have been on the plane that crashed first into WTC - but this the version of the FBI and I just have my doubts.
1-10-2007 11:52 PM
Eaglewings
Hipster wrote:
I have talked with many of the first soldiers in Iraq. The truth is
many weapons of mass destruction were found...just not ever publicized
This can not be because there were no weapons of mass destruction you all said there were none you can not have it both ways. Either there was or there was not. Which is it?

Fun wrote:

A terrorist can't be a real muslim
WHY NOT? They all seem to call themselves Muslems. And if they are not real muslims then why don/t you real muslims deal with them? Arrest them, try them. imprison them do something with them if they are not real muslims. I know they aint real Americans. Expose them for what they really are....
1-11-2007 12:00 AM
Eaglewings
my lasy\t comment was too wordy so it had to be continued here.

And finally Fun shows why he lives in the land of DE NILE

Ata of cause could have been on the plane that crashed first into WTC -
but this the version of the FBI and I just have my doubts.
Let me guess I bet you believe there are UFOS hidden in a dessert in Nevada along with all the nonexistant WMD that Bush took out of IRAQ?

I will be praying for you Fun but you can't be for real. No one can be that stupid and survive. You must be a propagandist for some foreign government trying to take over the USA. I bet Bin Laden put you up to this. NO NO you work for the FBI And GWB is paying you to stir up trouble so we...
1-11-2007 12:00 AM
enbar
Eaglewings, don't forget, Saddam was not an Islamic terrorist. He hated al-Qaeda and al-Qaeda hated him.

Yes, Islamist terror is a threat. But the problem is, throwing the middle east into violent, anarchic chaos is making the problem worse. Sending in more soldiers and bombs is not going to make the terrorist threat go away.

9-11 was a serious black eye for al-Qaeda. It made them look bad all around the world. But as soon as the US invaded Iraq, which had nothing to do with 9-11, al-Qaeda started spreading its propaganda around the Arab and Muslim world about how the US was out to destroy Islam. And guess what? Every time we drop a bomb in Iraq, and al-Jazeera broadcasts another photo o...
1-11-2007 12:08 AM
Eaglewings
Well thank you Enbar at least your comments showed some intelligent thought.

As far as the photos with the legs blown off I got lots of pictures of DEAD BODIES from 9-11 I can show you.

Cry me a river.

I think the next bomb should be dropped on al-Jazeera's broadcast studios. I bet the pictures they got of kids with legs blown off where from their own land minds and car bombs. Not that al-Jazeera would lie or anything they are an honest to goodness news agency.

1-11-2007 12:13 AM
Eaglewings
Someone's got to stop this.
I agree with this statement. Someone needs to stop this. HEY BIN LADEN how about stopping this? Hey Muslim Clerics HOW About stopping this? Hey al Qaeda lets stop this? Hey Iran what say you stop this? Okay Eqypt you wanna step in and make peace? Syria how bout lending a hand? Pakistan you wanna tell these terrorists to give it up? Your hero Saddam could have stopped it after all it got worse since he be dead right? But he didn't! Can we say previous bombings of the WTC, the US COLE, the American Embassy in Africa and all this was prior to GWB and Iraq. WHY DIDN"T SOMEONE STOP IT?

NEWSFLASH we are stopping it!!!
1-11-2007 12:13 AM
hipster
Eaglewings...I said I talked to many of the first soldiers in Iraq. The reason they beat a hasty path to the capital was because that's where Saddam was and he knew where all the biological weapons were that the US gave him to fight Iran. Saddam chickened out and Bush had to get the stuff back...and they did! It wasn't published in our newspapers because, just like Vietnam, the only news published about a war is what out country allows out. Besides, how do you tell the American people that the WMD's are one's we supplied Saddam with? Much easier to make up all kinds of hype about what he did or didn't have and then deny, deny, deny later.

As I said, I have talked with soldiers who saw the ...
1-11-2007 12:17 AM
Eaglewings
Yes, Islamist terror is a threat. But the problem is, throwing the middle east into violent, anarchic chaos
Establishing a stable peaceful government is IRAQ is good for the middle east BAD FOR TERRORIST but good for the Middle East.

Terrorist love CHAOIC situacions look where they choose to operate. AFGHANISTAN now that was really a thriving peaceful society with al gaeda in charge. Can we say Mogadishu? How about Sudan? All these CHAOIC places are loaded with terrorists. I think you all should get your own houses in order so we do not have to come over there and clean up after you all the time.

How about taking care of your own in Palistine? Help them out. But no they are ...
1-11-2007 12:18 AM
Eaglewings
Vietnam was my nemesis...but this fiasco has very little difference. All the same bullshit...different leaders.
Actually the bullshit is coming from the same leaders they are called democrats.
1-11-2007 12:24 AM
hipster
Oh come on...Bush is no Democrat...neither am I. I voted against Bush because he's an idiot...always has been. The man can't even talk. But that has little to do with anything.

The war is matter of convenience. It is a means to an end. Do you really think there will ever be Middle East Peace? No way! Those people have been warring forever...and will go on warring forever. The end to Iraq will come when Bush withdraws his troops into Iran...the real target. He will leave Iraq in the dust just like he left Afghanistan.

Do some research...read the Bush/Cheney papers on taking down the MIddle East for its oil reserves. Get real!
1-11-2007 12:53 AM
Eaglewings
Oh come on...Bush is no Democrat...neither am I. I voted against Bush
because he's an idiot...always has been. The man can't even talk. But
that has little to do with anything.
Yep I stated correctly and repeat. The bullshit is coming from the same group of people they are called democrats. The proof is in the pudding. And just to make it clear I am neither a republican nor a democrat.
1-11-2007 12:58 AM
Eaglewings
Do you really think there will ever be Middle East Peace? No way! Those
people have been warring forever...and will go on warring forever.
Yes there will be peace in the middle east when the antichrist is set up to rule over the Jews. There will be a period of peace only to be followed with a great war to end all wars when Jesus comes back to kick some real booty. Then the end will come and then real peace will be established. SO DO I believe there will be peace in the mid east yes only if all people embrace Jesus as LORD. Until then there shall be wars and rumors of wars nation will rise up against nation and the love of many will wax cold.

Nevertheless Lord Jesus COME QUIC...
1-11-2007 12:58 AM
enbar
Eaglewings said:

Establishing a stable peaceful government is IRAQ is good for the middle east BAD FOR TERRORIST but good for the Middle East
The problem is, it's not working, is it? Things are getting less stable every day over there.

Eaglewings said:

As far as the photos with the legs blown off I got lots of pictures of DEAD BODIES from 9-11 I can show you.

Cry me a river.
You're missing the point. Sure, factually, you may be right. But we are handing the terrorists ammunition for their propaganda every day that we stay in the mideast. No one seems to want to acknowledge what the CIA has already reported: the terrorism problem is getting worse, not better, because of our war.
1-11-2007 1:02 AM
Eaglewings
No one seems to want to acknowledge what the CIA has already reported: the terrorism problem is getting worse, not better, because of our war.
Okay I admit it. The terrorists are trying their damndest to escalate the violence in IRAQ so we Americans get the hell out so they can get back to what they were doing before we got there.

But I also will admit that the violence is OVER THERE and isolated to BAHGDAD And not over here. It is working. It is always darkest before dawn.

What is feeding the fire for escalated violence is all this talk about getting out. If we all start to say HELL NO WE AINT GOING TO GO Till all you terrorists are dead or dying. Watch what happens...
1-11-2007 4:12 AM
Ali_Muslim
Eaglewings ,

The Biggest Terrorist today is the US
Islamicist are simply retaliating for the terrorism inflicted upon them.

Who intervened in whose land first???
The US intervended in the Muslim land first by creating puppets regimes that served its interests and not the interests of the people. This is all becuase it is an oil rich region and so is of strategic importance.

The people there are muslims. They resisted and continue to resist US terrorism on humanity. The US then decided to label the resistors as Islamic terrorists (because that helps to deceive the american people and makes them think its not their government that is the Terrorist). Now america uses the label of global war...
1-11-2007 8:18 AM
debbyski
If you want to blindly remain attached to the notion that the US is a bringer of peace and goodness to humanity then you can do so. But dont expect humanity to believe you. And don't expect your own government to believe you either. Even though they may applaud you.
Very well said, Ali!
1-11-2007 9:13 AM
Eaglewings
Islamicist are simply retaliating for the terrorism inflicted upon them.
BS..

Sunni Muslems are blowing up Shia Muslems that has nothing to do with us. The Sunnis and Shias have been a hatin for a long time which again has nothing to do with us. But you can not stand the truth it is far easier to bash the big bad US.


AGAIN. If the MUslims have a legitimate beef to make concerning our actions then I urge them to state their case to the UN or mount a legitimate armed conflict and not engage hooded suicide bombers to carry out their dirty work. If Asama Bin Laden has a beef against us WHERE THE HELL IS HE? Show your face, fight like a man and stop exciting your minions to ac...
1-11-2007 9:22 AM
Eaglewings
If you want to blindly remain attached to the notion that the US is a
bringer of peace and goodness to humanity then you can do so. But dont
expect humanity to believe you.
BAR none the US is the biggest humanitarian aid anywhere ever in history and many believe that, a few don't. But those same few believe that there are 21 virgins waiting in heaven for them if they blow themselves up.

Murderers go to HELL again that is God speaking therefore it is truth, no virgins await only weeping and wailing and nashing of teeth.

Truth, truth you can't handle the truth. If you want to get into a debate about truth then start to quote the word of Truth and not some wacko humanist writ...
1-11-2007 11:30 AM
funana
Fun wrote:

A terrorist can't be a real muslim
WHY NOT? They all seem to call themselves Muslems. And if they are not real muslims then why don/t you real muslims deal with them? Arrest them, try them. imprison them do something with them if they are not real muslims. I know they aint real Americans. Expose them for what they really are.
Here we go again. Bush calls himself a christian, islamic fascists call themselves muslims.
It's AGAINST BOTH RELIGIONS, got that, stupid?

And then he wrote:

People with suicide vests must be desperate to do something like that.
Life is not just black and white. There are shades of grey.
Bri...
1-11-2007 11:31 AM
funana
Let me guess I bet you believe there are UFOS hidden in a dessert in Nevada along with all the nonexistant WMD that Bush took out of IRAQ?

I will be praying for you Fun but you can't be for real. No one can be that stupid and survive. You must be a propagandist for some foreign government trying to take over the USA. I bet Bin Laden put you up to this. NO NO you work for the FBI And GWB is paying you to stir up trouble so we have more reason to fight in IRAQ yeah that got to be it. You will be in his next speech telling America why we are still in Iraq. COME ON FESS UP you work for GEORGE.
Dude, calm down. Just because you dont have any arguments that count doesnt mean that ...
1-11-2007 1:15 PM
Eaglewings
Have ever been outside of your wonderful country?
Yes! Not too many people are clamoring for other parts of the world like they are clamoring to get in here. Just an observation not that it is a fact or anything.

And dont start with that UFO Area51 nonsense, okay?
That comment was tongue in cheek stating that some people no matter what the evidence chose to believe that the truth is not the truth and would rather invent some far reaching conspiracy theory which is far harder to believe OR PROVE for that matter then the plain simple truth.

Not me doubting the offical 9/11 theory.
I am not really sure what there is to doubt about 9-11 there are ...
1-11-2007 1:51 PM
funana
I doubt that it was planned and executed (alone) by muslim terrorists.

I do not say that there have been no attacks, for sure there have. I just ask questions since day one that never have been answered. Just one: How and why collapsed WTC7?

And as you talk about the muslims on the planes: Do you know that most of them are still alive and have never been on any of the flights?
1-11-2007 1:51 PM
Ali_Muslim
Eaglewings, out of 10 how much is your hate of muslims?

Honest answer only please.

thanks

ali
1-11-2007 6:55 PM
RecordSage
funana, what muslims on the planes that are still alive are you talking about?

Ali, you're the only one that hates here... you beat this non-sense into your head about the US terrorism etc. Look in the mirror and you'll see someone who hates, based on your f*ed up point of view, combined with idiotic fringe wackos that support you only because of their hate for what this country and its people stand for. I have no intention of killing you and your family for ANY cause, even though I'm sure you'd do the opposite for yours. THAT'S the difference between us!

EagleWings - welcome to Clipmarks!
1-11-2007 7:12 PM
Ali_Muslim
Excellent intro RS. Marvellous !
1-11-2007 10:29 PM
Eaglewings
Eaglewings, out of 10 how much is your hate of muslims?
Ali...

God hates sin I hate sin. God hates godliness, I hate godliness, God hates liars and those who weigh with uneven measures and so do I. God hates those who exchange the glory of God for things made by man and so do I.

I do not hate Muslims but I do dispise terrorists. I do not hate any people groups but I do hate evildoers and those who lie in wait to shed innocent blood and guess what so does God. Perhaps I hate or have a strong dislike for the very same things God does. Care to see whose side God is on in this one?

Now then Ali I have one question for you. And the same applys to you only honest answers. Do M...
1-11-2007 10:30 PM
Eaglewings
Thanks RecordSage Greetings to you as well.
1-11-2007 10:32 PM
Eaglewings
How and why collapsed WTC7?
Fun I do not understand what you are asking? Please elaborate.
1-11-2007 10:35 PM
enbar
"You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image, when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do." (Annie Lamott)
1-11-2007 10:37 PM
Eaglewings
I doubt that it was planned and executed (alone) by muslim terrorists.
They planned and executed other attacks on the same buildings twice before. They planned and executed attacks on the US COLE and the American Embassy in Africa. Bin Laden admitted to the deed. They done it. Its a fact. Now what are you doing to help stop this madness? Oh that assumes you believe that there really is evil in the world.
1-12-2007 6:39 AM
Ali_Muslim
eaglewings, your answer is good. And it the same as mine.

Now let us look at whether the US government has been lieing or not. And so deduce whether God Almighty hates it or not.

US governments consistently lie and do evil and hypocritical acts.
They lied about iraq.
They are hypocritical about democracy. Eg in palestine when the people chose hamas, instead of the US supporting this democractically elected governement it decided to work to topple it from power.
In lebanon, the US gave a green light for israel to cointinue bombing civilian areas and destroy civilian infrastructue and slaughter children in the name of what?? The war against terrorism !

For war on terrorism read 'War for ...
1-12-2007 7:47 AM
funana
Passenger lists:

The foreign minister of Saudi Arabia declared on 20. Sept. 2001 during his visit in the USA, that six of the supposed passengers of the plane that first hit the WTC are still alive and have not been on the flight.

The passenger list of AA flight 11 (http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4256562,00.html) does not contain arabian names...

Lists of names have been corrected more than one time, the last one contains the real names of arabian terrorists that have been well known before the attacks and therefore could have never been with their real names on the flights because of the security checks.

And this is just ONE fact that is very strange. There are tons o...
1-12-2007 11:12 AM
confused
its not funny that both attacks on the twin towers happend under the bush's., and not under clinton. its not funny that bush won Flordia. Its not funny that we just sit around and let childern go without food in USA! why do we talk about it. why not take a stand for whats right. is it because what one person thinks is right another thinks is wrong. name the place and time and take a stand. let us all go to every country in the world to THE UNITED FEDERATION OF PLANETS, no proverty,no crime,no disease,or ignorance in human society. where everone works in the advancement of humanity.the promise of profit gives the entreprneurs incenative to use their knowledge & resources to satisfy those want...
1-12-2007 11:49 AM
Ali_Muslim
confused, what are u confused about?
1-12-2007 2:29 PM
Eaglewings
"You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image, when
it turns out that God hates all the same people you do." (Annie Lamott)
Is it your contention that God does not hate those things?
1-12-2007 2:31 PM
Eaglewings
thin about it thats why we have drug dealers! how about plato's republic(equalism and general pacifist) ecomomic utopia!
Only works in movies and fictional comic books. As long as there is sin in the world there will never be real lasting peace. Sin must be conquered before there can be peace. Evil has to be vanquished for goodness to reign/ Satan must be destroyed in order to bring back God's purpose and plan.
1-12-2007 2:42 PM
Eaglewings
So you tell me eaglewings. How do you think God Almighty views the US government?
For we all have sinned and come short of the kingdom of God therefore there are none righteous no not one. There are none who can be called good only God. Those who live justly shall inherit the kingdom of God. Those who do evil shall inherit eternal damnation.

Now then as to matters of law. Lawlessness is lawlessness and should be dealt with by punishment. Again those who have a complaint or grievious to file against the USA let them do so in the established LEGAL manner.

Terrorism is not a legal argument. The UN sanctioned action against IRAQ look it up. Toss your arguments their way once i...
1-12-2007 2:49 PM
Eaglewings
funanna as to your last post.

I got nothing more to say. We blew up the buildings so we could come kick your muslim ass and take your freakin oil to power our SUVS. We elected GWB because that other guy whats his name wouldn't do what we wanted done to you muslim crazies. I booked the flight from NEW YORK to fly into the buildings because I wanted to see them burn and watch them innocent people jump from the windows.

There are UFOS in nevada and little green men hiding under the white house. WE bore a hole in the north pole to hide secrets from the world which we will unleash to once and for all dominate the whole planet.

These are facts check them out here:

www.crazyconspiracytheoriesfo...
1-12-2007 3:10 PM
RecordSage
Let the blind lead the blind for eventually they all fall into ditches.
Boy Eaglewings, from yours mouth to G*d's ears...

@confused, who wrote:
its not funny that both attacks on the twin towers happend under the bush's., and not under clinton.
What's actually funny (and ignorant of you) that you're missing that little tiny white van in 1993, which was conveniently rented, carefully parked... and then exploded right in the garage of WTC with a fairly substantial, although not substantial enough for the purpose, bomb inside. That was way before Bush and most certainly under Clinton, as were the USS Cole attack and African Embassy attacks.

You need to pace yo...
1-12-2007 3:24 PM
funana
Eaglewings: Sorry, but that is very very poor. I simply asked questions and gave some links to google SERPs and a video and you could not answer anything or give arguments. You didnt even try.

Thats's what's happening when people don't have fundamental knowledge and can't talk because they have no good arguments anymore.

I won, you loose.

To this thread here I will link everytime from now when you come up with untenable assertions.

And I forgive you, but I dont forget. May God bless you and be with you.

P.S: Damn, nobody can answer my questions about 911... I alwasy end up like this in conversations. When I drop the WTC7 bomb everybody is quiet.

PPS: The flights didnt start in New yor...
1-12-2007 3:51 PM
enbar
Eaglewings said:

Is it your contention that God does not hate those things?
It is my contention that when we start looking to divine revelation as a justification for hatred, we are distorting Christ's message.
1-12-2007 3:59 PM
hipster
Christ came to Earth saying, "You do not know or understand my Father. He is a God of love...not hate." Religious zealots have used the Crusades to justify war and murder since...well, since the Crusades. Bush is doing it today. That doesn't make it right or justified. Violence will never solve anything....just prolong it. Those who live by the sword shall perish by the sword...also from the bible.

The answer lies in negotiations. But, alas, we have a president who is illiterate and comes off like a hillbilly hick from Texas back country (oh yeah...he is). Until we get someone in office who can demand respect and show authority without a canon in his hand, we will remain in a war (or wars if Bush has way) right up to the end.
1-12-2007 4:19 PM
debbyski
It is my contention that when we start looking to divine revelation as
a justification for hatred, we are distorting Christ's message.
In my opinion Enbar, your contention is absolutely correct.
1-12-2007 5:02 PM
Ali_Muslim
Eaglewing. I would like to give you some sincere advice. Please listen.

You need to review your thoughts. Think again and more deeply about the beliefs you currently hold. Its better to find the mistakes now rather than when its too late.

Take care man

regards

ali
1-12-2007 5:13 PM
Eaglewings
Thats's what's happening when people don't have fundamental knowledge
and can't talk because they have no good arguments anymore.
Look in a mirror. Your links provided no facts just superstition and conspiracy theories.

P.S: Damn, nobody can answer my questions about 911... I alwasy end up
like this in conversations. When I drop the WTC7 bomb everybody is
quiet.
Asked and answered you just do not like the answer so you want a different one.

PPS: The flights didnt start in New york, I think it was Boston. Yes,
it may be that Bush and his gangster clique knew about the thing would
happpen and did nothing, just to go into war and to claim more
ressources....
1-12-2007 5:14 PM
Eaglewings
I won, you loose.
There are no winners in the battle of fools. For all is lost and so are you if you continue to believe propaganda and innuendo and suspicion.
1-12-2007 5:15 PM
Eaglewings
You need to review your thoughts. Think again and more deeply about the
beliefs you currently hold. Its better to find the mistakes now rather
than when its too late.
Well said Ali go and do likewise.
1-12-2007 5:17 PM
Eaglewings
"You do not know or understand my Father. He is a God of love...not hate."
Please state chapter and verse for this statement associated to Jesus. If you buy a bible that as red letters you can find everything Jesus said highlighter for you. When you find that quote please let me know. Thank you
1-12-2007 5:21 PM
Eaglewings
Religious zealots have used the Crusades to justify war and murder since
And the terrorists are doing what?

I wish you all would preach to your own people about the need for peaceful living. It seems to me that most of the terrorism around the world is being done in the name of ALLAH. Not JESUS.

And for your information not that it matters because you are not going to listen anyway. Bush is not fighting a holy war for Jesus the church or anyone else other than as commander and Chief of the USA. Therefore it is a state matter not a religious one.

OKAY I LIED about posting but this is too much fun to not respond. Course it would be more fun if there were some intelligent debate going on.
1-12-2007 5:23 PM
Ali_Muslim
Arrogance Blinds eaglewings !
1-12-2007 5:24 PM
Eaglewings
It is my contention that when we start looking to divine revelation as
a justification for hatred, we are distorting Christ's message.
The biggest mistake most people make is to try to get to God by negating Jesus. Yes Jesus came preaching salvation. Salvation from what? DEATH and HELL. There is a judgement day coming and we ALL EVERYONE is going to stand before the throne of God to give an account for our actions. We need to have a fear of God not look at Him as some wizard behind the curtain who grants wishes to all without regard to how we live.

He is a just God and trust me NONE of us myself included are justified by our actions. No one is saved by works it is only by th...
1-12-2007 5:24 PM
Eaglewings
Arrogance Blinds eaglewings !
Again you speak well do heed your own advice.
1-12-2007 5:28 PM
confused
why does a person quit a millon dollar job to be vice president? maybe to make more money. life is funny, everything always happens for a reason. someone in clipmarks said war is terroism. the reason USA is so powerful is that we fear some god, but suprem beings have a terrible sense of humor.
1-12-2007 5:29 PM
confused
he or she gives us only so much we can handle. I think im close to the breaking point
1-12-2007 5:30 PM
confused
in my own mind im right, but the one who toke my other rib(my wife) said that i was crazy as hell!
1-12-2007 5:31 PM
confused
i love to watch the daily show with jon stewart, he gives bush the respect he deserves
1-12-2007 5:36 PM
confused
im not saying bush is right damn sure dont know a thing about saddam, but what would you have done once you found out planes just hit the twin towers. i would not just sit there with a smurky grin knoding my head. bugs said knned the dough,put the K in kneed.
1-12-2007 5:40 PM
confused
I just believe every thing i see on tv (yeah right) but with more galaxys than stars you can see at night, and we are just a dot at the edge of the galaxy. why cant we do away with the evil(money) and go where no man has gone before
1-12-2007 5:46 PM
Godfrey Daniel
Your user name is perfect
1-12-2007 5:46 PM
Ali_Muslim
u is definitly confused man.
And maybe drunk !
1-12-2007 5:50 PM
confused
did our god give us such a big brain to not explore the big universe (he or she)gave us. only one supreme being with one god being all powerful to already know what im going to say and do seems to much. i do have my own brain my own way of thinking, so why do some of my dreams become reality. couldnt that one god destroy evil. oh yeah sense of humor
1-12-2007 5:57 PM
hipster
Here ya go Eaglewings:

Luke 10:22
"All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows who the Son is except the Father, and no one knows who the Father is except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him."

They aren't my exact words, but the meaning is the same. Jesus came and said only He knows the Father and only He can reveal the Father to us. Then He told us his Father is not a God of vengeance but a God of mercy.
1-12-2007 5:59 PM
debbyski
GD, I wonder if confused has both his hands on the keyboard? Never mind, I'm sorry I said that.
Eaglewings, seriously, put this link in your favorites
http://www.raptureready.com/rap2.html
Read it every day. It will remind you of how saved you are and how the rest of us are doomed.

1-12-2007 6:05 PM
confused
just confused and quit smoking pot. speaking of drugs if they were all legale would you do them. i mean because the truth being the CIA brought heroin in this country to support our ally. why do we beleive our goverment anyway. because the say so.
1-12-2007 6:07 PM
confused
i saves your rapture ready for future use, maybe i will have time to be saved before the year 2012 when our solar system recheases the cetre of the galaxy alighn our sometuing those people said way back when.
1-12-2007 6:07 PM
hipster
I gotta go...I'm getting confused...and annoyed by being confused by confused. Besides, EW is not answering me even though I answered him.
1-12-2007 6:08 PM
confused
oh yeah the mayas or mayans or who cares
1-12-2007 6:08 PM
jklugman
I just wanted to touch on the 9-11 conspiracy theories--we discussed these a while back, the points Funana brings up have been addressed. I usually agree with Funana 99% of the time, but not this time.
1-12-2007 6:11 PM
Ali_Muslim
so what is yur conclusion about 911?
1-12-2007 6:14 PM
confused
that if you have an emergency dial 911
1-12-2007 6:15 PM
Ali_Muslim
not in the uk
1-12-2007 6:16 PM
funana
Look in a mirror. Your links provided no facts just superstition and conspiracy theories.
Errr... I posted links to the guardian and to google serps and posted some facts and questions. I can't see the conspiracy...

And where are your answers? I can't find them.
1-12-2007 6:16 PM
debbyski
I want a sip of what confused has been drinking! On second thought, since I don't drink, maybe not . .
1-12-2007 6:22 PM
confused
brucehornsby and tupac siad it best, thats just the way it is , somethings will never change! PEOPLE THE MAYANS predectided ther own faith and knew more than we know about the stars,the wobble of the earth, and here we are in our on little life, yet i stand alone in thinking that humans can be smarter than we appear. thats just the way it is. MORE GALAXYS THAN STARS YOU CAN SEE. ok ill stop now.
1-12-2007 6:24 PM
Eaglewings
hipster your post is good. Far from complete but a good post. God is a God of mercy through Jesus Christ. That was the whole purpose of His coming to earth to die for sinners if whom I am chief. Yes that's right I said I am the head sinner the biggest and worst sinner of all time.

But thank God Jesus died for me and I have accepted Him as my savior so that through Him I may live and move and have my being apart from Him I am miserable and lost. There is no hope of salvation outside of Christ. He must dwell in you and you must remain in Him or you have no fellowship with the Father.

Living for Christ means dying to self and the world. You can not love without hating something. You got to f...
1-12-2007 6:25 PM
funana
jklugman: I just want to clarify, that I don't say that any of the theories are facts. But I don't think that the official theory is a fact too.
1-12-2007 6:26 PM
Eaglewings
jk wrote:

I just wanted to touch on the 9-11 conspiracy theories--we discussed
these a while back, the points Funana brings up have been addressed. I
usually agree with Funana 99% of the time, but not this time.
Thanks JK
1-12-2007 6:27 PM
Eaglewings
jklugman: I just want to clarify, that I don't say that any of the
theories are facts. But I don't think that the official theory is a
fact too.
So you admit they are theories. Could it be that it happened just like Bush said it did? I mean could it be that the truth is terrorists actually flew planes into these buildings causing huge disaster in New York? Could it be that these other sites are just full of lies?
Or do you really care about the truth?
1-12-2007 6:29 PM
Eaglewings
hipster wrote:

I gotta go...I'm getting confused...and annoyed by being confused by
confused. Besides, EW is not answering me even though I answered him.
I believe I have answered you hipster correct me where I failed to respond.
1-12-2007 6:32 PM
Ali_Muslim
There is no hope of salvation outside of Christ.
So what about those people who existed before Jesus (peace be upon him) ? Are they all going to Hell because they didnt accept him as their saviour???????

Christianity doesnt make sense ! I am sorry
1-12-2007 6:34 PM
confused
one last thing, have you ever seen a person on crystal meth a few months after being strung out. its a terrible thing, but it want happen to me. famous last words of a person who just flipped a tractor on them and died from stupidity. then you might know what its really like.
1-12-2007 6:34 PM
debbyski
So what about those people who existed before Jesus (peace be upon him) ? Are they all going to Hell because they didnt accept him as their saviour???????
NO ALI, they are not and anyone who tells you any different would be wrong.
1-12-2007 6:37 PM
debbyski
I had a neighbor who was strung out on crystal meth and it was a terrible thing to have to live beside him before he was run out of the neighborhood.
1-12-2007 6:38 PM
Ali_Muslim
Why not?
1-12-2007 6:43 PM
funana
Could it be that it happened just like Bush said it did? I mean could it be that the truth is terrorists actually flew planes into these buildings causing huge disaster in New York?
Yeah, absolutely.
But as ex CIA employes have said before: The official version is never the full truth.

The offical conspiracy theory (Ata, Al-Quaida etc.) is also just a therory.
1-12-2007 6:44 PM
confused
where do the ones who dont believe. will hell exist after the rapture. why didnt you try to help that person. its not my problem, you can only help the ones who want to be helped. turn the other cheeck, its all in the name of money. can we live without money. capitailism or communism. take more money to make more moneyor everything belongs to everyone. this land id your land this land is my land. its all been i lie like saintnick giving without receiveing
1-12-2007 6:44 PM
Ali_Muslim
Actually Debby, is there any verse in the Bible that addresses this point?

My hunch is no as this bit was made up and inserted.
1-12-2007 6:48 PM
Ali_Muslim
... in my view that is.
1-12-2007 6:51 PM
confused
white man wrote the bible, and siad all man is created equal. then inslaves us all
1-12-2007 6:55 PM
Ali_Muslim
I dont mean to offend christians but if christianity is not the truth, then its not the truth.
1-12-2007 7:00 PM
confused
everyone knows the bible was wrote for the time they were living in at that time. we all need someting to believe in and something to fear. that makes us strong enough to get through the rough times. speaking of 5 minutes to scrubbs(wapner). it makes me laugh and cry all in 30 min just like that show that came on last night.
1-12-2007 7:04 PM
debbyski
Ali,
I just spoke earlier with Hipster about this. Its called substitutionary atonement. Most contemporary Christian evangelicals adhere to some variation of substitutionary atonement theory. Its a doctrine, in Christian theology that was pioneered by Calvin and quite a few others in it's fullest form. It was meant to substitute works for faith. The problem is Ali, all they have done is to substitute one requirement for another. Not all Christians believe in the substitutionary atonement theory Ali, and I believe that if you live unto God, you will die unto God. I don't believe that all the Muslims, Buddists, or any other person for that matter will not be saved because of their unbelief in sustituitionary atonement.
1-12-2007 7:12 PM
confused
we already have the greatest gift of all, and here we are wasting it.( LIFE) fear stop us from standing up from whats right. we already now right from wrong from the day we are born. we do not need a book to tell us this. oh yeah work was always more important,than standing up for whats right. come together.... right now....... over me. philosophy never accomplished anything when a three year old stands near a cliff, they know what would happen if they stepped over the line. DEATH. i cant understand why bush sends a handful of people to iraq, when if we want the job done lets go. FEAR. what would happen if all of us went. barbeque or mildew
1-12-2007 7:21 PM
Eaglewings
So what about those people who existed before Jesus (peace be upon him)
? Are they all going to Hell because they didnt accept him as their
saviour???????
Too long to go into an indepth complete bible study with you Ali but just to simplify, and this is very simplified. Jesus died for all man's sin past present and future. God's plan of salvation was in place from the time of the beginning. Not all who lived before Christ will go to heaven anymore than those who live after Christ will go to heaven but only those who believe in Jesus shall be saved.

Jesus decended into hell to preach liberty to the captives. In simple terms Jesus went back in time to save all those who were to...
1-12-2007 7:25 PM
Eaglewings
I don't believe that all the Muslims, Buddists, or any other person for
that matter will not be saved because of their unbelief in
sustituitionary atonement.
There is no other name under heaven whereby you can be saved save the name of Jesus. If you call on any other for help and salvation you shall not be saved. Jesus is God's way to heaven. He is THE WAY, THE TRUTH, THE LIFE. He is not A WAY A TRUTH or A LIFE but THE WAY TRUTH AND LIFE.

Buddists will not be saved unless they call on Jesus. Catholics will not be saved unless they call on Jesus. Baptists shall not be saved unless they call on Jesus. Hindus will not be saved unless they call on JESUS.

No one shall be saved u...
1-12-2007 7:26 PM
Eaglewings
The offical conspiracy theory (Ata, Al-Quaida etc.) is also just a therory.
Or fact. Considering Osama bin Laden took credit lets see leader of Al Quaida?? or perhaps that is just a theory too??
1-12-2007 7:33 PM
debbyski
The problem with substitutionary atonement is that you are still continuing to replace one requirement with another Eagle. Buddists and Muslims and others may very well be following the way of Jesus by their centering in God. Matter of fact, they may be following the way of Jesus more than someone who only accepts substitutionary attonement as the absolute of being saved.
1-12-2007 7:34 PM
funana
Yes. It's a theory that the "Al-Quaida" is an organized terrorist group.

There has never been a group that called themselves "Al-Quaida" - it's a notation for all guests that have been in Osama's Guesthouse in his training camp.

Osama btw denied his guilt in the attacks and the so-called Osama video that says the opposite is a stumpy fake.

Not to forget that Osama was trained and supported by the USA and the BinLaden family is still in business with the Bush family and halliburton...

Oh my ....
1-12-2007 8:25 PM
Eaglewings
I sing because I'm Happy. I sing because I"m free for His eye is on the sparrow and I know he watches me.
1-12-2007 9:09 PM
confused

the silent of the good
1-12-2007 9:57 PM
hipster
Hey, I'm back. I agree with EW....You must call on Jesus to be saved. The only way to God is through Jesus. When I said you didn't answer me EW, I was referring to you asking about my saying, "You do not know or understand my Father. He is a God of love...not hate."

Then you said,

Please state chapter and verse for this statement associated to Jesus. If you buy a bible that as red letters you can find everything Jesus said highlighter for you. When you find that quote please let me know. Thank you.

I did find the quote and post it as asked. Although my words were different than His, the meaning was the same...at least I think it is the same.

AS for "Substitutionary atonement"...I hav...
1-12-2007 11:15 PM
Eaglewings
hipster I did respond to you scroll back
1-13-2007 12:10 AM
hipster
EW...all things are done in God's time...not ours...including my ability to say, "Thank ya kindly." You seem to be a man of God and His Truth...as am I. I often quote the Bible in my own words, but I seldom get the concepts wrong...when I do and am proven wrong, I graciously accept the lesson. Life is a series of lessons from which we are expected to learn the truth that lies within the Bible...the Holy Bible...God's Word to man. If we choose to ignore a lesson, it keeps coming back. Addiction is a good example of this.

Have a wonderful night, eh?
1-13-2007 6:10 AM
Ali_Muslim
So can any of you (Debby EW, hipster etc) backup your arguments by evidence (quotes ,verses) from the bible about this specific point?
1-13-2007 11:51 AM
Eaglewings
The Eagle has left the building he can be found flying across the sky searching for the next interesting topic to sink his beak into. Adieux
1-13-2007 1:07 PM
debbyski
Great idea Eagle, I'm going to follow suit.
1-13-2007 2:22 PM
Ali_Muslim
Its sad when you run away from an issue you claim to be owners of.
1-13-2007 2:39 PM
Ali_Muslim
Hipster you sounded like a person with sincere faith. Are you too going to shy away and run ?

Is this what Jesus (peace be upon him) would do when someone posed a difficult question to him?

Eaglewings was happily showing off his knowledge of the bible and his knowledge of the verse numbers and chapters. Now suddenly he has to make a run for it. Does this sound like the actions of a man of God ? I have a hunch that his god is himself. ie whatever he believes must be right, even if it is wrong. Why ? Because he happens to have belief in it at present. So he may be a man of himself rather than a man of God. Is this accurate Eaglewings?

EW and Debby, let this be proof to you that christianity...
1-13-2007 3:01 PM
debbyski
I don't understand what point I was running away from Ali? I never claimed to believe in the substitutionary atonement theory. I claimed if you live unto God, you will die unto God. I was never comparing Islam and Christianity as one being any particularily better than another.
1-13-2007 3:13 PM
willhelm
. I was never comparing Islam and Christianity as one being any particularily better than another.
better is irrelevent. However, if one of them is not absolutely true, then they are both wrong.
1-13-2007 3:13 PM
Ali_Muslim
Ok Debby, but in this case what you are saying is contrary to Christianity and closer to Islam. You are saying that you dont need to accept Jesus (peace be upon him) as your saviuor in order to goto Heaven.
1-13-2007 3:34 PM
debbyski
I want to be very clear here Ali. What I am saying is that I do not believe in the substitionary atonement theory as the absolute condition for entering heaven. I believe Jesus had a way of centering in God. I believe you can be Muslim, Buddist, American Indian, etc. and follow Jesus's way. It is a way of being Christian in which beliefs are secondary, not primary. Practice is more important than "correct" beliefs. I'm not saying beliefs are irrelevant; they do matter. But they are not the object of faith. God is the "object" of commitment. Depth of commitment and dogmatic certainty about a particular set of beliefs are not the same thing.
1-13-2007 3:46 PM
debbyski
better is irrelevent
I agree, Willhelm.
1-13-2007 3:54 PM
willhelm
Depth of commitment and dogmatic certainty about a particular set of beliefs are not the same thing.
...and I agree with this statement. However, I think we agree with this statement based on different interpretations and realities.
1-13-2007 4:14 PM
debbyski
I would agree that we probably would experience conflict between two very different paradigms for seeing the "data" of Christianity.
1-13-2007 4:50 PM
Eaglewings
Its sad when you run away from an issue you claim to be owners of.
This thread was Sadaam Right Bush wrong it is not the debate religions thread. If you wish to intelligently discuss Jesus then you can email me or post to a post where that is the topic. I have said all I have to say on Sadaam that is why I left this post. Knifing me in the back is proof why Christianity is superior to any other religion because we do not shoot people in the back.
1-13-2007 4:59 PM
Eaglewings
Knifing me in the back is proof why Christianity is superior to any other religion because we do not shoot people in the back.
I best clarify because if I do not then someone will say that SEE America shoots other religions.

Clarification for those who are mentally challenged. Knifing someone in the back meant in this instance talking behind one's back belittling and mocking in an attempt to impugn the integrity of the person being knifed (talked about). I posted the post that the Eagle had left the building to indicate that I would not be checking this thread anymore because I had other interests it had nothing to do with a debate about religion which had nothing to do with...
1-13-2007 9:11 PM
funana
This is just your interpretation, EW. I agree 100% with Debby.
1-13-2007 9:30 PM
Eaglewings
Well debby has demonstrated questionable judgement and understanding about many things. However; whether you believe Jesus to be the only way to God or not does not negate the fact that HE is.

There are no many roads that lead to heaven but only one and that way is narrow and straight and few there be that find it. But those that do have the assurance of Salvation.

Those who do not have the absolute destiny of an eternity apart from God. After all that is only fair and fitting if you do not want any parts of God by accepting HIS SON Jesus now why would you want to spend an eternity with Him?

You do realize that Jesus sits at the right hand of God right?

You do know this right?

Hmm per...
1-14-2007 9:15 AM
funana
Thank you EW.
1-14-2007 7:37 PM
Eaglewings
you are welcome funanna
1-15-2007 6:22 PM
Ali_Muslim
I sincerely wish that all of us find the true and good way in our life. Before it is too late.

take care all

ali
1-15-2007 8:14 PM
Eaglewings
God bless you Ali.
1-16-2007 9:16 PM
confused
walk down that narrow road with binders so you will not see things around you. turn left right here?
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