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10-6-2008 2:01 AM
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masbury says:
No evidence shows Ayers and Obama were "pals" or even close when they worked on community boards years ago
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10-6-2008 7:12 AM
chestnut501
Then explain why Ayers held fundraisers for Obama in his own home?? Doesn't seem like something one would do for someone who wasn't a friend. Unless..... he had really evil intentions.
10-6-2008 8:33 AM
BobbyRutan
Explained today on CNN and New York Times.

Obama did not know of Ayers past at that time. Simple as that.

Rebubbacans. Try your damnedest to avoid talking about your utter failure on our economy. You are a joke.
10-6-2008 8:35 AM
Antara
If you think anyone believes Obama didn't know about Ayers past.....

yer nuts.
10-6-2008 9:15 AM
wiccantexan
Hey, Republican'ts. It's the economy, stupid. McCain is a desperate man, using desperate measures to distract people from the very real issues that voters want to hear solutions to.
10-6-2008 9:31 AM
dl211
Typical left-wing trash, try and divert our economic crisis away from the main culprits, blame the right to disassociate the left's major role in this mess that democrats over the years have allowed to fester to the point of crippling our economy - yet blame the right - never think about placing blame where it's deserved, what a bunch of spineless wonders.

Believe it or not - people are defined by who they associate themselves with. Obama made his choice but just like Rev Wright - he disowns them when it is politically correct to do so. Ayers is an unrepentant terrorist - does not matter if it was 40 years ago or 40 days ago, this bastard still thinks what he did was right.

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10-6-2008 9:35 AM
ratilfar
Why don't we dump Ayers and the two Libby's in the same dank hole and be done with it.
10-6-2008 9:38 AM
jerry1152
Don't you have anything to do but knock republicans?
Get a life. You dominate the clips every day.
10-6-2008 9:40 AM
ratilfar
Do some clipping of your own. But then again, calling out Republicans is a no-no.
10-6-2008 9:46 AM
wiccantexan
Yes it is - and it's the stupid Democrats who brought us to this disaster.
If you study the trend, the slow slide began during Reagan's error. Both parties have fault on their doorstep.
10-6-2008 10:07 AM
dl211
Keep your BO faith there wiccantexan - it still does not change the facts which you and your buddies on the left choose to ignore. Sure a few Reps share some of the blame but I'd say about 90% can be laid on the Dems.
Honestly I don't care if the Republicans were 100% to blame for the mess, at least I'd have the guts to say dump all the bastards, throw them out and into jail. Not something you are your left wing friends would ever say.

Ignoring what got us into the mess will not rectify or prevent another one from happening. Shoving your head in the sand will only justify to the guilty that their base approves of their thievery and you can bet history will repeat itself.
10-6-2008 10:18 AM
wiccantexan
dl211, I've voted Republican more often than Democrat. So you can shelf the "left" buzz words. And Obama is far from perfect, I just consider him the best option of what we're being offered.

This woman is not drinking the Palin kool-aid.
10-6-2008 10:38 AM
dl211
I've voted Republican more often than Democrat.
I could care less how you've voted in the past, present or future. The Left Buzz words are meant for the left since it's the left I speak about. Wouldn't do a whole hell-of-a-lot of good to blame the right when I'm speaking about the left now would it?
10-6-2008 11:24 AM
spirithiker
Chestnut501, Ayers held fundraisers for Obama to get Republicans out of the White House. Is this considered evil intentions? He should applauded for this.

There still remains no evidence that Obama and Ayers are ‘palling around together’ as the great reaper of lies is telling people foolish enough to still listen to her.

I do not condone what Ayers did over 40 years ago but protesting the Vietnam War: priceless; taking his radical ideas way too far to carry out his protest: egregious, certainly; turning himself in to pay for his offenses: commendable; helping inner-city disadvantaged children in Chicago: priceless; turning his life around and becoming a contributing member of American soci...
10-6-2008 11:48 AM
spirithiker
Dl211, McCain isn’t saying ‘dump all the bastards’ because of guts, he is saying it because he knows the American people want change from the thieving corprafascist Bush/Cheney Gang and he is pretending to care what the American citizens want so he can get votes.

This Bush/Cheney clone team of McCain/Palin want to bring even more havoc upon the American taxpayer by continuing to allow an unregulated Wall Street. Ignoring this fact will guarantee Main street will remain the biggest loser.

We already know that the ‘Free Market’ idea only serves those at the top. The rising numbers of homeless should be proof enough of this. And nothing any republican has planned for us is ever going to change that
10-6-2008 12:30 PM
dl211
This Bush/Cheney clone team of McCain/Palin want to bring even more
havoc upon the American taxpayer by continuing to allow an unregulated
Wall Street. Ignoring this fact will guarantee Main street will remain
the biggest loser.
You're brainwashed - look at the facts instead of MoveOn and HuffPost and the like - The damn democrats in Congress, are about 90% the blame for our current disaster. You hate deregulation but it was OK for Franks/Dobbs/Pelosi and others to turn a deft ear to Republicans asking for more oversite for Fannie & Freddie that could have prevented this fraud against the taxpayers, but simply ignore them and blame the right, mighty damn unfair of you.

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10-6-2008 12:42 PM
oscarrob
Cutting through all the BS rhetoric lets have a little history. Carter brought us interest rates that were out of control and inflation right along with it. Basic economics are not the strong suit of Democrats. Reagan/Bush reigned that in and reduced taxes, but then gave us outrageous debt and the deregulation of the savings and loan industry which gave rise to the junk bond "bubble" and the failure of its inventor and the jailing of many of the proponents. Clinton brought some moderation and regulation, but unlike most dems he wasn't a left wing proponent of excessive government. He benefitted from the emergence of the internet and the dot com "bubble." We also benefitted from a divisi...
10-6-2008 12:45 PM
abailart
How come, if this Ayers guy is a well known terrorist he holds a position of Distinguished Professor of Education in Chicago? By the way, what is wrong with being a communist?
10-6-2008 2:43 PM
wiccantexan
Someone should ask: If William Ayers is so dangerous...why isn't he in jail? Why is he serving on charitable boards, and teaching at Universities?
10-6-2008 2:44 PM
wiccantexan
The Left Buzz words are meant for the left since it's the left I speak about.
When I'm lumped in under the blanket term, corrections are in order.
10-6-2008 2:56 PM
wiccantexan
It doesn't matter to me whether you're a McCain person or an Obama person, but it DOES matter that McCain's campaign is increasingly using blatantly false charges. If you are a McCain believer, do you endorse this kind of campaigning?
10-6-2008 3:11 PM
dl211
How come, if this Ayers guy is a well known terrorist he holds a
position of Distinguished Professor of Education in Chicago? By the
way, what is wrong with being a communist?
Good question, why is he? Doesn't speak well of that college he's about as far left of American as you can get. Ayers is a selfprofessed terrorist who doesn't regret his deeds and actually said he wish he'd done more.

Nothing wrong with being a communist I guess - if you happen to reside in a communist country, it's not an admirable triat to be an American and be one though.

During the Bush administration, it is hard to argue that anything was
the democrats "fault" since the Republicans have ha...
10-6-2008 6:04 PM
masbury
1) Ayers is a highly respected education consultant for the City of Chicago.
2) You must live in a small town. Most people who hold fund raisers for campaigns do not know the candidate personally. Except in small towns, like where I live.
3) Ayers journal specifically rejects terrorism.
4) Every serious media outlet has labeled this baloney.
5) Back to the economy! McCain is simply trying to hide behind alarmist nonsense because he knows if he talks about his policies, he loses. If people won't pick him - so the argument goes - maybe he can get them to un-pick Obama. Country first.
10-6-2008 6:12 PM
masbury
Get a life. You dominate the clips every day. Don't you have anything to do but knock republicans?
I am one small guy who is very tired of politicians getting away with lying, and who finds the standards of Republican liars to be quite a bit lower than the standards of Democratic liars (at least in this race at this moment - I am certainly not a strong Democrat!)

I'd like to see every American combat lying with truth until politicians of every party know that telling lies will not help their cause. Else we will have learned nothing from the last 8 years.
10-6-2008 10:02 PM
BobbyRutan
Only sh** for brains from Texas would believe that the University of Chicago school of economics is leftist.

dl211 don't you have anything better than the standard rebubbacan attack on intellectualism?

America is tired of Mayberry presidencies.
10-7-2008 1:21 PM
sparlingphoto
dl211 don't you have anything better than the standard rebubbacan attack on intellectualism?
Some of the most inept people I know are "intellectuals" B-rut. My question is, why doesn't Ayers come forward and defend himself, Obama or both?
10-7-2008 7:31 PM
BobbyRutan
Because it is an absolute non-issue smoke screen that is totally irrelevant to McBush having no plan to right the ship of the U.S.A. that the ineptitude of the rebubbacan party is on the verge of sinking.

There is a reason that children in the U.S. strive to be sportscasters on not physicists and it is the continued ridiculous attack on people who strive to achieve high levels of education. The rebubbacan party thrives on appealing to ignorance and placing it on a pedestal. Pathetic.
10-7-2008 8:01 PM
dl211
My question is, why doesn't Ayers come forward and defend himself, Obama or both?
Good question - Why doesn't he? I've heard he refuses to be interviewed about the subject.
10-7-2008 9:51 PM
masbury
Why should Ayers do it? Every single credible factcheck source in America has discredited it. If Ayers stepped up, people who won't change their minds for any reason would say, "Well sure, yeah, that's what he'd say. Why should we believe him?"
You cannot convince people whose minds are closed to the obvious.
10-7-2008 10:26 PM
dl211
I agree, Ayers would could say either he and Obama were the best of friends and close business associates or that they were just mild acquaintances which would carry no weight or lots of it depending on which side you happen to be on. Which would suggest "we" have to decide on our own.

You cannot convince people whose minds are closed to the obvious.
This statement works equally as well no matter which side you happen to be on. Seems your side closed the door of doubt once you chose BO as your man, others however seem to question anyone with such lousey associations.
10-8-2008 8:17 AM
BobbyRutan
I think John McCain should stop beating his wife.
10-8-2008 10:35 PM
masbury
C'mon! Barack Obama knows a guy who was a terrorist when Obama was 8. By the time Obama met him, he was a distinguished university professor highly recommended by the mayor of Chicago.

The guy gave a couple hundred dollars - not a lot. He hosted, years ago, a neighborhood campaign event. They bumped into each other at board meetings of a charitable foundation. No one has shown it to be anything but a casual acquaintance.

No facts support the suspicion - which begs the question, "OK, what is the basis of this seemingly irrational suspicion, really?" And many have admitted openly - I heard their stories on the radio today - "I just don't trust a black man." Pollsters hear it ever...
10-9-2008 9:19 AM
dl211
Nothing on earth could convince you that Obama's past is less than desired of a presidential candidate, so why bother.
10-9-2008 11:10 AM
wiccantexan
dl211, none of the candidates have stellar pasts. That's not the point.
10-9-2008 5:57 PM
masbury
Exactly, wt. The clip is about the AP concluding Palin is lying.
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