 kinokonoko says: It seems very popular in the media these days to attack 911 Truthers as crazy or lunatic... A lot of different right wing voices have "coincidentally" started chirping on the topic. But no one does much to contradict the science behind the doubt; or the obvious inconsistentcies -- especially surrounding the "plane" crash at the Pentagon. I think the people who caused 911 are worried that the truth is catching up with them. Go to YouTube and watch "Loose Change" to get caught up on the science and doubt around 911. Yawn. Without proper, credible evidence you (and many other delusionals) are wasting your time. Show us the names and types of these 'special' explosives. How about exactly where the supposed charges were placed? Alex Jones has tried to say they were mini-nukes, but was quickly laughed off. Controlled demolition? I have not seen ANY credible computer models showing that yet. No video footage of the implosions? Tsk, tsk. We have a great video here on clipmarks taken from persons in a building just across the way from the WTC towers and their awesome footage shows nothing sinister other than terrorists crashing jetliners into skyscrapers. Get em, Real Napster, get em! Pop ...Not too mention that the U.S. government cannot even keep the soical security numbers or records of citizens safe from disclosure, stop hard drives or laptop computers from 'vanishing' yet, the U.S. government can pulloff the greatest illusion in recorded history. We cannot even keep military secrets safe anymore, they appear on the cover of Popular Science within months! Please...go see a doctor, they may find a medicine for your condition, we can only hope. Take two real Napsterines and call me in the morning. not to side track from real napster, but since when is bill maher a "right wing voice"?? libertarians dont consider him a libertarian, republicans dont consider him a republican, and the majority of his guests and audience are noted democrats. so when did he ever talk for the "right'? I didn't classify him, I just understood the meaning of what he said. if you want to know more about the science you can find articles from the national science magazine's article on it, from penn and teller's bullshit had an episode on 911 conspiracy going through the conspirator's "science", if you go to the "best web site in the world" (in google) then you should find a site that touches the issue and has links for more extensive sites on the science and one going though "loose change" and if you google video celsius 41.11 you should get some insight. but than again... you may have to lose convictions in order to even bring yourself to watch an organized data on a topic basically against what you want to believe. but than again... you may have to lose convictions in order to even bring yourself to watch an organized data on a topic basically against what you want to believe.Lose convictions? Hardly. Of all of the 'loose change' types of sites I have visited and many of the so-called science papers I have read, NONE of them have accounted for the seismographic evidence independently recorded on Sept, 11th, 2001 at MULTIPLE sites including Columbia University. Not One site. [url=http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=5]Alex Jones tried to lie about a direct coorelation between seismograph recordings and his 'theories' but was later refuted ... Go to YouTube and watch "Loose Change" to get caught up on the science and doubt around 911. Go to YouTube and watch "Loose Change" to get caught up on the science and doubt around 911.I did, and it was neither thought provoking nor convincing in light of the evidence I have seen to the contrary. Alex Jones is a quack, BTW. Alex Jones probably is a quack... but he has nothing to do with "Loose Change" which tells me that you didn't really watch the video. Loose change was made by three filmmakers - written and directed by Dylan Avery, and produced by Korey Rowe with Jason Bermas. Forget the twin towers for a moment, what about all the evidence in the film that points toward a missle attack on the Pentagon, not an airplane crash? Alex Jones probably is a quack... but he has nothing to do with "Loose Change" which tells me that you didn't really watch the video.Actually Alex Jones has ALOT to do with this, he's another crackpot trying to pass off his own testimonies and 'witnesses' as the only credible ones, when he himself has been refuted by those he cliams support him. I could make my own 9/11 mockumentary if I... What about the rest of the pentagon irregularities? The spools of cable that were untouched, the intact windows where the wingspan was supposed to hit, the lack of wreckage, the immaculate grass in front of the impact site, the diameter of the impact hole itself and of course, the confiscated security camera tape from the gas station that serviced the pentagon that would have had a perfect shot of the plane's supposed approach? Your little "titaniam and steel" distraction and the factoid of the drive shaft penetrating thru the towers sounds like classic distraction technique. You must be some low level computer jockey in the Department of Misinformation. I do hereby ban you from my posts. Blocking someone with an opposing and, and by what I have read, better argument doesn't further your own. If you are so sure that your argument is the right one why block him? Because all he does is parrot the knee-jerk reactions of the FOXNEWS-DITTOHEADS to the points I bring up. He doesn't really present any real facts. By the way, I know that you are really him, douchebag. I'm not him I can assure you that. Chill out man/woman, no need for name calling. Just because I agree with him doesn't mean I am him. Your anger only pushes me more towards believing Nappy and the side of reason. here is a question for all you out there: why would someone bother to prove a 911 conspiracy - who would gain from all that time spent gathering together the research, making a documentary, etc? why would someone bother to disprove 911 conspiracy theorists -- who would gain from that? Fame/fortune. What did Hitler gain from convincing the German people that the Jews were evil/the cause of all the nation's problems? political power, stupid; he was a politician BTW - there is a discourse analysis of internet forum arguements and it has been observed that the loser of the debate will at some point evoke Hitler or Nazism to prop up his position. Idiot. Still persistent with the personal attacks? Seriously, you need to cool down a little bit. Maybe get offline for a while...watch a little tv. It's funny how a lot of the debates over the Bush administration have Hitler/Nazism in it coming from the left side. Wait...aren't you, for the most part, a lefty? Granted he gained political power, however, you still fail to disprove how fame/fortune is not what your conspiracy theorists (or I guess from your standpoint "truth tellers") want. Seriously, I think it would be mistaken to think that ALL of the 911 truthers publishing/producing works are motivated by fame/fortune. What fame/fortune is there in taken a seemingly ludicrist (sp?) position that alienates half of the political spectrum of the US? Its not like the media is giving the 911 truth movement much positive publicity. I think these people are motivated by a sense of injustice and a love of democracy and the promise of what America once was and could be again. They are motivated by the possibility that enough people will look through the smokescreen, lies, distortion and illusion of Right vs. Left, and see that something has happend to this country. Powerfu... Now that's an argument. I'm too lazy (probably more of a "i can't find one so i'll call it lazyness) to look up any type of rebuttal so you win this round. I still don't necessarily agree with you but you have shut me the hell up. So Chimpy McHitlerBush is so smart that he put together the whole conspiracy and only those who dwell in their parent's basements are smart enough to figure it out? Well, it keeps them up at night and off the streets when normal people are working. ColoradoWrong: No, I doubt very much if one man could put such a plan together. I imagine it was put together by a board of directors, just like any other business venture, with lots of other people doing piece work without knowing how it all fit in as a whole. The JFK asassination is a good model. Look at all the players with vested interests at work there. I am sure there were shadow-government overseers in that operations, just as there were ones on this one. Yet again, all the Fox-Ditto heads have to offer is scornful dismissals, rather than intelligent analysis. You are hereby banned from my clips, just like Real Napster Oh, and the stereotype of basement-bound conspiracy theorists is so 1990s. We are educated, professional and active in our communities, unlike the FoxNews Ditto Heads that watch TV and play sofa-politician. I bet you are about 40 lbs overweight, Colorado... kinokonoko, you better quit before you look any worse. Invest in cuckoo clock. It may take some of the pressure off trying to do all the work yourself. yawn... yet another "look out for the crazy-lefty" type of character attack...people always talk shit when they have nothing to say; the issues, the facts get forgotten... classic distraction. nothing threatens the FoxDittoHeads more than someone that doesn't conform to 'normality'... its that right-wing need to impose order and structure to stem the fear of an ambigious world.. all their protestations can be summed up as a chorus of "conform! conform! conform! don't make us question our beliefs because without them we have no identity!" when will someone speak up that has a legitimate and authentic counter-point to the 911 truthers? I don't think there will be one with convincing data/theories/proof. Ban me, me, please, Ban Me too, C'mon, please! Sure, if you like. And from the very blog above, where they accuse the makers of Loose Change for drawing a false connection between Marvin Bush and lapses in WTC security up to 9-11 (also see my comments after this quote): "As for Marvin, where's your source he wasn't head of security up until 9/11? Don't you know he was replaced by John O'Neil on 9/11? Seems you lie more than you accuse Loose Change of doing. At 15 May, 2006 08:56, nesNYC said... BTW, the source for Marvin being part of Securacom comes from his Mother: some facts for your consideration: -Marvin Bush, brother of president Bush, was a director of the Sterling, Virginia company Securacom, also known as Stratesec. Marvin Bush and Secur... May I just ask, with all due respect to those with self-respect, where is your compassion? There is obviously a "situation" here. If you know what I mean. willhelm above post was a non-sequitur... please explain Thank you, thank you, tha...wait... If you need me to explain, how do you know it was a Non-sequitur? ah I get it... you found a wit... now go find the other one so you can rub them together Oh my God, This is the FUNNIEST thing I've read in a few days! LOL |
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