Would it be wrong to suggest the FF wanted Protestant Christian USA? And if so where does it get you for now? I cannot understand that a young new country with no baggage, has such hangups about the past and does so much navel gazing about the FFs' opinions. They were absolutely brilliant for their time but now well past their sell-by-date! righthand, I think what the founding fathers said is of the utmost importance. This republic was founded for and because of some very basic principles. Our constitution was forged by the founding fathers. Although your statement is practical I find it to be defeatist in nature. "think" is the word. No decent argument can include the word. What are the facts or is this another case of rewriting history. When you look at all the strife radical religious attitudes have caused, why would you want any mob of spiritualists involved in government. Reagan had it right, "Check the tea leaves, Nancy." "When you look at all the strife radical religious attitudes have caused, why would you want any mob of spiritualists involved in government." A big Pop for tabsey James Carroll said, ...the United States of America is more descended from Massachusetts than Virginia — an important distinction because the people who settled Virginia were adventurers and entrepreneurs. The people who settled Massachusetts were religious zealots who had left England as an act of dissent against the Church of England, which they considered too Popish. Their dissent was against a certain kind of religion, but not in favor of religious freedom. They came to America assuming the power of the state over the religious convictions of the civic body.As schoolchildren, Americans are taught that early settlers like the Pilgrims and Puritans (often confused but qui... The Declaration of Independence: A Transcription When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that G... He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good. He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them. He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only. He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fa... He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands. He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers. He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries. He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance. He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Cons... He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us. He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people. He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation. He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands. He has excited do... In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people. We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. Amendment I skwirlinator, Your posts are annoying. One post with a direct link to the text would have sufficed. Don't you think? Or perhaps YOUR THOUGHTS on the article. Wow! I'm sorry, I get carried away and try to get the info out where it can be read without clicking away. There are so many people that 'think' they know what our foundation is but they have never read the actual words. I will try to control myself in the future but I just can't guarantee it. My original quest for documents was the diaries of the founding fathers. I saw them a few years ago at the site and I couldn't find them. They had the thoughts and pondering of the FF while they were devising our charter. I recall noticing their references for guidance from God. I didn't want to mention it unless I found them and since I couldn't find them I chose to put the end result up for discussion. I ... The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion. -John Adams It is the duty of every true Deist to vindicate the moral justice of God against the evils of the Bible. -Thomas Paine Religion and government will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together. -James Madison These quotes cannot be argued with. They are all very much to the point. |
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