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12-24-2007 4:17 PM
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This is not pretty. 1,035 infected and 7 dead in Oregon alone this year.
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12-24-2007 4:51 PM
Joseph48
It is yet to be determined why the common bacteria which caused the Black Plague became so virulent and became one of the most deadly plagues in history.
We are now experiencing the same phenomenon. Microorganisms which were once considered natural flora and fauna, or at least not major pathogens, are becoming deadly and in some instances "plagues". Why?
12-24-2007 6:50 PM
kkcapricorn
It's a sad state of affairs when a cold kills. There is no cure; one can only treat the symptoms & hope.
12-24-2007 10:13 PM
Lancebowski
Faint echos of the 1918 Spanish influenza outbreak:

"The worst pandemic of influenza ever recorded was caused by the 1918 Spanish influenza virus. Emotional reports of fit and healthy soldiers falling down on parade and dying the same or the next day are recorded (1). An initial mild wave of infection occurred in the spring of 1918 and the lethal wave appeared throughout the world, in the fall. At least 20 million persons died worldwide and probably 10 times that number were affected. The origin of this virus and the basis of high pathogenicity have remained elusive..."

The Center for Disease Control has "resurrected" a replica of the virus. For study.
12-26-2007 9:35 AM
tracyho
Take good care, health is wealth

Pray for your early recover,

Tracy Ho
wisdomgettingloaded
12-26-2007 2:10 PM
suzikoh
We in Northern Italy, have had many cases of meningites....Officially 8 people were hospitalised initially about two weeks ago in Treviso in the Veneto Region wich borders our Region, Friuli Venezia Giulia.... The authorities ordered hospital staff to play down the alarm.... They were afraid of the panic effect on the population but now there are cases of deaths and patients being hospitalised all over the Peninsular...
Today on the news they said they're beginning to encourage the vaccination of children in some Regions... the Vaccine costs 30 euro so it would be in the interest of the pharmaceutical firms to delay as long as possible state funded public mass vaccination....
One man's brea...
12-26-2007 3:07 PM
rfnajera
EVERYBODY CHILL!

36 THOUSAND die each year of the flu. Do we freak out? No. Some people don't even want to get their shot because of unsubstantiated fears. 500 THOUSAND die each year of heart disease. Do we clip about it? No. In fact, I'm sitting on my fat ass eating a twinkie as I type. Another 500 THOUSAND die each year of cancers and conditions associated with smoking. Any comments? No. At least one of you will smoke a pack today.

So don't worry until I worry. I'm an epidemiologist. I've got your back.
12-27-2007 3:04 AM
davboz
Glad to know that things are so much better today than an age when these bugs killed more people than not.
So lets take precautions and be glad that in my state I'll have a 1 in (aprxmtly.) 3520 of infection and 1 in 610,000 chance of death.(as I figure it)
Wash your hands.
Don't overuse anti-biotics.
Stay away from sick people.
Cut your odds in half.
2-14-2008 4:54 PM
Joseph48
Epidemiologists do NOT "have your back". They are there primarily to "pull the wool over your eyes".
As a Health Care professional, I have watched the antics of these types for years and years. The words (a few of them) are; cover up, cover you arse, obfuscate, misinform, ad naseum.
Do NOT depend on these "skinner box" pseudoscientists. They invariably give the smiley, hail and hearty and "well met" kind of guy appearance while they let millions die in the name of cleaning up the gene pool.
Epidemeologists...the scariest types.
2-14-2008 8:29 PM
rfnajera
What? Pseudo-scientists? What are you on? And can I have some?

I'll go "mano a mano" with any scientist on this or that side of the Atlantic.

I will.

"Caviler"? The word you're trying to use is cavalier. And I was being cavalier because malaria kills 1 million people a year. Deaths from adenovirus are a drop in the bucket compared to malaria. Malaria I respect.

"Healt Care Professional"? You just tried using a whole bunch of big words to no avail. Perhaps it's your gene pool that should be cleansed?
2-15-2008 12:58 AM
willhelm
rfnajera, it is the idea of doom they love so much. They live in a theoretical world. They love to "warn" others of catastrophe. However, when their environmentalist policies cause the deaths of hundreds of thousands in Africa by banning DDT they are amazingly silent.

Excellent points, rfnajera.

Also, I'm a dope. I'm getting a flu shot every year from now on. Thanks.
2-15-2008 4:21 PM
rfnajera
And just one person getting the flu shot makes this worthwhile.
2-16-2008 12:17 AM
thisnamecantbetaken
CDC Warns Current Flu Vaccine Ineffective
Shouldn't epidemiologists know this?


2-16-2008 11:53 AM
rfnajera
Here's what happened... Each year, Epis look at what viruses are circulating around the world and make a best guess estimate of what to put in the vaccine. For this season, they made their recommendation last February. Unfortunately, Darwinian evolution threw a wrench in works when a new strain developed in Australia months after the vaccines had been made for us... The Brisbane strain. After all, they're epidemiologists, not time-travelers.
At any rate, the Brisbane strain is now included in the vaccine for the Southern Hemisphere for this coming summer. However, if another strain pops up here in the states this winter, it will be too late for that vaccine batch.
So my colleagues and I ar...
2-16-2008 12:43 PM
willhelm
rfnajera, is there not some crossover protection?
2-16-2008 1:21 PM
rfnajera
Oh, definetely. Brisbane is a daughter of the Wisconsin strain that is in the vaccine. So the vaccine gives some protection, minimizing the duration and intensity of a flu from Brisbane.
2-16-2008 1:25 PM
willhelm
That's what I thought. So vaccines are not "ineffective". Of course we shouldn't really expect 'some' to know that.
2-16-2008 1:29 PM
rfnajera
No, they're not ineffective, and they don't give you autism, either. I'll eat my hat if anyone can show me defiitive scientific proof that stands up to peer review that they cause either the disease they're trying to prevent or autism, or MS, or anything like that.

I spent all day yesterday on interviews with newspapers and radios because a group of college kids got the sniffles. They were suprised to hear that the college-age group is the least vaccinated against the flu... They think they're invencible, but they're the biggest babies when they get it.
2-16-2008 6:20 PM
thisnamecantbetaken
is there not some crossover protection?
Of course we shouldn't really expect 'some' to know that.
That's why 'some' felt the need to ask, I guess.

My point was, it is obviously a bit of a stretch, to say that they "have our backs" which they obviously don't. They never have and they never will. As for the safety of the ingredients of vaccines? That is another clip altogether. But there are also other concerns, besides the neorotoxicity of thimerosol, aluminium etc. Corruption, cover ups, etc, from the pharmaceutical industry (surprise!) and contamination are a big part of the equation and of my misgivings about vaccines too.

Here are some things to consi...
2-16-2008 6:21 PM
thisnamecantbetaken
"I think it's absolutely criminal to give mercury to an infant." - Boyd Haley, Ph.D., Chemistry Department Chair, University of Kentucky

"The committee accepts that under certain conditions, infections and heavy metals, including thimerosal [mercury preservative in vaccines], can injure the nervous system." - Dr. Marie McCormick, Chairperson and co-author of the 2004 Institute of Medicine Report often cited by journalists that mercury in vaccines is somehow "safe".

Dr. James R. Shannon, former director of the National Institute of Health declared, "the only safe vaccine is one that is never used."

"Forgive this personal comment, but I got called out at eight o'clock for an emergency call ...
2-16-2008 7:20 PM
willhelm
That's why 'some' felt the need to ask, I guess.
I already knew the answer. mstaken.

I just wanted the point to be made by rfnajera.
2-16-2008 7:21 PM
rfnajera
I hope the grandson avoids tuna the rest of his life... Because one can of tuna offers the same mercury as all the vaccines he'll have... In ten lifetimes.

So good luck with that.

Now, if you want to convince me that ten years of education, and thousands of dollars that I've spent in it and am not making back (probably ever) were a waste becuase I don't know what I'm talking about... Well, who's the evil one?
2-16-2008 8:00 PM
thisnamecantbetaken
Evil? That's again stretching things a little far, I reckon.

Like I said. each to his own.
2-16-2008 9:54 PM
rfnajera
No apologies for the censoring. Your 1st amendment rights were checked at the door. So tone it down, or go somewhere else.
2-16-2008 10:04 PM
rfnajera
And now I'm being criticized because of my attitude, not the content of the clips.

If you don't want your kids vaccinated, fine. If you think docs are quacks, fine. If you want me to fail at my work and have a big, fuck-off pandemic take us all out, fine. That's your attitude. But use your own space to display.

Chill out!
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