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10-15-2008 1:45 AM
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masbury says:
This sounds like The Onion, but it's a New York Times story covering a race-track rally by Sarah Palin. How have we failed, that Americans could be so poorly educated as to be vulnerable to such tripe?
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10-15-2008 2:57 AM
darkeforce
The Republican Party has been pursuing a dedicated program of dumbing-down voters, so they'll swallow all the lies and B.S. their candidates spout. If the Republicans are allowed to keep control, the episode of Outer Limits, where they test kids at 13 and kill the ones that are too smart might not be such a fantastical thing.

Republicans want people good and stupid; it's the only way they can win.
10-15-2008 8:50 AM
deb2012
I think a lot of Republicans are repulsed by this, it's Rove that wants people good and stupid, and what worked for him before is working less today.
10-15-2008 9:33 AM
Yassin_M
If McCain could not control his campaign how he can control America the greatest country ???
10-15-2008 9:39 AM
deb2012
I don't believe McCain is the right choice for President at this time in history. Not only did he let the Rovian machine influence his campaign (a huge mistake), but his ideas are more of the same.
10-15-2008 9:55 AM
ratilfar
10-15-2008 1:22 PM
oscarrob
Its a London Times Article. Not a notoriously biased rag like the NYT ( ), which of course is all the more telling.
10-15-2008 11:09 PM
gingembre
How have we failed, that Americans could be so poorly educated as to be vulnerable to such tripe?
That, to me, is the crux of the problem. People who have not been taught critical thinking fall prey to fearmongering, lies and finger-pointing tactics. They are taken in by unscrupulous people who use them for personal gain, twisting the truth and teaching the gullible to suspect, deride and despise those who try to enlighten them. Too many of us Americans are taught to criticize without thinking rather than how to think critically.

At the moment I am struggling with this very problem as I correspond with an 18-year-old cousin in southern Mississippi who needs some critical thin...
10-15-2008 11:12 PM
gingembre
Just to give you an example of what I am talking about, here is one of our exchanges (note that critical thinking isn't all my cousin didn't learn in school--her spelling and grammar leave a lot to be desired, too):

Sarah Palin is the bestlooking woman and the Smartest i have ever saw as far as polticis go. Obama will raise taxes to support radicial organizations such as alcorn and some of the others organization that he donates to such as Rev. Wright and father and he will isolate Isreal from the United States. If you want Obama for President go ahead and vote for him don't try to get other people to follow your steps. Im my opinion Sarah Palin will makes the best President we ever ...
10-15-2008 11:35 PM
masbury
I think you're doing it, g! It happens in tiny increments - and some of it is merely out-lived - but you have planted seeds there that will grow, in time.

I was astonished and literally thrilled to come across this London Times story tonight: He looks like a terrorist, but I'm going to vote for him anyway.

What's happening is exactly what needs to happen (though I can't always hang on to that!)
10-15-2008 11:39 PM
darkeforce
How to you deal with this kind of "thinking" that my uncle has fallen for, taught his children and is now imparting to his grandchildren? How do we break the cycle of ignorance?
"Time to change grandpa's medication. He's in LaLa Land again."
10-16-2008 3:51 PM
sparlingphoto
How have we failed, that Americans could be so poorly educated as to be vulnerable to such tripe?
Give me a break, Masbury...you and the other pseudo-intellectuals here at Clipmar* make me nauseous. You're pious and hypocrites.
10-16-2008 5:41 PM
masbury
So don't read us, sparl. Or take Tums. No sweat.
10-16-2008 8:54 PM
oscarrob
How have we failed, that Americans could be so poorly educated as to be vulnerable to such tripe?
We haven't and they aren't. At least no more so than any frightened angry mob. Asking the question, however, is arrogant and an insult. If someone doesn't think as we do, they are "uneducated?" How insulting is it to say, like my grandmother, "Oh God, how have I failed, to have such a grandson?" Is my Uncle "uneducated" because he used to sit at the dinner table and say "Blast, that's how we should solve the problem. Blast." when discussing Vietnam? He's a radiologist. Liberal Academics and intellectuals have been asking these questions for a long time and the very question ...
10-16-2008 8:58 PM
darkeforce
sparlingphoto said:

Give me a break, Masbury...you and the other pseudo-intellectuals here at Clipmar* make me nauseous. You're pious and hypocrites.
Then go wallow in your stupidity, Sparl. You have the right to be an ignorant schmuck, clueless as to what's really going on around you, ripe to be lead down the garden path to destruction by Terrorist McCain.

We may as well call him a terrorist; he's using their M.O. right down to the letter; whipping the ignorant into a frenzy with lies, innuendos and rhetoric, until they've dehumanized their target and are rife to do something horrible to that person. That is exactly what McCrazy and Palin are doing with their followers.
10-17-2008 2:13 AM
masbury
If someone doesn't think as we do, they are "uneducated?"
Of course not. I'm not saying what you're saying I'm saying. Watch:
don't blame the people
I purposely did not blame the people. I blamed us - all of us.
If I blame anything it is the lack of rational and critical thought and the culture of blame
The purpose of a good liberal arts education is rational and critical thought. I am not saying that they would be Obama supporters if they were educated. I am saying that people who receive a good education are better able to qualify their sources, and would more readily recognize the absurd ideas that vultures had laid on these folks as garba...
10-17-2008 2:18 AM
masbury
not say they were failures or fools or bad people or yokels, or that they would be Obama supporters if only.

What I had hoped to say was that we, together, had failed to provide the kind of educational experience that would empower people to think critically, and be less easily swayed by these kinds of emotional but groundless arguments.

I intended no put-down of them whatsoever, and I regret that I was perceived as doing so. One more time: I did not fault them. I faulted us.
10-17-2008 3:10 AM
abailart
There is always a "frightened angry mob" element. It's important that their views are heard and represented, not simply scorned. A strong President will need to represent them too.
10-17-2008 3:18 AM
darkeforce
They're only a "frightened angry mob" because McCain and Palin made them that way, with a steady diet of lies, hatred and prejudice. This is McCain's monster to slay, and every day he refuses to do something about Palin and the ongoing hate-ads his campaign is spewing out, the less presidential he looks.

What he looks like right now is a head bully, acting "above it all", as his minions harass other people, on his orders.
10-17-2008 5:31 PM
citizenbfk
Have you noticed that it's always the anti-Obama folks who do all the insulting and are the most rude?

I've started to enjoy the freedom it gives me to throw their insults back in their face (which I think of as fair-enough fair play)

...like pointing out (proportionally) that pea-brain sparlingphoto makes who threads and forums nauseous. Is impious and 'speaks with forked tongue."

Additionally, I suspect he may be a two-faced, double-talker and troll.

It's pathetic what he supports and what people like him do. It is truly worrisome to think what would happen if folks like this continue to rule our country.
10-17-2008 5:44 PM
ratilfar
Don't Feed the Trolls!
10-18-2008 6:21 AM
citizenbfk
Spellcheck. Avoid eating too many cookies. Try to show a little more compassion.

11-2-2008 6:22 PM
notpalin
parentsagainstpalin.blogspot.com

parents and guardians against palin unite!
(a non-partisan appeal)
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