Look. Here's a hypothetical situation, which, if the clip is correct, could very well become reality. I have been voting at the same polling place for six years. There are no probelms with my registration. I've used the same form of ID (my state-issued driver license) when asked to present it (let's leave aside the question of whether that's legal). My name is, let's say, John Quincy Doe. I have no idea whether my Social Security records, birth certificate, motor vehicle records, and voter registration records show me as "John Doe," "John Q Doe," or "John Quincy Doe." In fact let's sayI registered with a handwritten form in 1998 and maybe the clerk transcribing it typed in "Jon Q. Doe...

Look. Here's a hypothetical situation, which, if the clip is correct, could very well become reality. I have been voting at the same polling place for six years. There are no probelms with my registration. I've used the same form of ID (my state-issued driver license) when asked to present it (let's leave aside the question of whether that's legal). My name is, let's say, John Quincy Doe. I have no idea whether my Social Security records, birth certificate, motor vehicle records, and voter registration records show me as "John Doe," "John Q Doe," or "John Quincy Doe." In fact let's sayI registered with a handwritten form in 1998 and maybe the clerk transcribing it typed in "Jon Q. Doe." How should I know? If even one of those items of data shows a discrepancy, I'm off the voting rolls, and I probably won't find out until I show up at the polls. Or if I vote absentee, I'll never be informed. My ballot will just be tossed.

You're saying you think that's a fair system? Personally I have no way of knowing whether all my papers are in order, as they used to say in various totalitarian regimes. Would you know how to go about verifying all that stuff? How would you start the process of proving you are who you say if you were kicked off the voting rolls tomorrow, if you were lucky enough to be informed? This stuff about "well, if your records don't match, it's your fault and it's your problem, and you don't get to vote" is bullshit. That's not the America I grew up in.

So they'll look at your social security records, your motor vehicle records and any time you've had any interaction with the government and if there is any information on your voter registration that is different than the information on another government record that they find they remove you from the voting rolls.

I call B.S. on this 'claim' unless they have solid proof, of which I highly doubt. You see, state workers (like most) want to keep their jobs like everyone else and sure wouldn't jepordize their income to purge records illegally. For anyone.

Let's look at some 'Bills' as put forth from Congress shall we?

S. 17
Voting Opportunity and Te...

So they'll look at your social security records, your motor vehicle records and any time you've had any interaction with the government and if there is any information on your voter registration that is different than the information on another government record that they find they remove you from the voting rolls.

I call B.S. on this 'claim' unless they have solid proof, of which I highly doubt. You see, state workers (like most) want to keep their jobs like everyone else and sure wouldn't jepordize their income to purge records illegally. For anyone.

Let's look at some 'Bills' as put forth from Congress shall we?

S. 17
Voting Opportunity and Technology Enhancement Rights Act of 2005
Dodd
January 24, 2005


Purges: This bill would require states to provide public notice at least 45 days before a federal election of names removed from each state’s voter registration list. The State must send notices to each individual voter whose name has been removed from the State voter registration list.


Guess what? It's REAL difficult and time consuming to track down people who move and don't notify their county clerk like they are supposed to.

S. 414
Voter Protection Act of 2005
McConnell
February 17, 2005


Purges: This bill would amend the National Voter Registration Act (NVRA) to make it easier for states to purge the voting rolls of voters who have not voted in two consecutive general elections.


See that? CONGRESS makes it easier for the states to PURGE voter records because they know that lazy people do not want to be held accountable for their inactions.


*For a complete description of Colorado voting regulations see Colorado[/b] Election Rules as ammended May 30, 2007. Colorado even has rules for 'homeless' people voting.


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are supposed to prove that people aren't being purged from the rolls for the reasons described above. But i hope you're right.

Sorry about the links, They looked ok in the text editor window.Another bug?

Anyways, my main concern with the 'claim' is that either exagerated or distorted flat out. Did you know that since 9/11 the states have all had to crack down on verifying ID's and making it harder to get driver licenses? In Georgia for instance, women who recently married and went to vote were dropped off lists becuase their surname didn't match up with thier SSN.

And like the Congressional bills pointed out, they simply cannot notify you by mail with a po...

are supposed to prove that people aren't being purged from the rolls for the reasons described above. But i hope you're right.

Sorry about the links, They looked ok in the text editor window.Another bug?

Anyways, my main concern with the 'claim' is that either exagerated or distorted flat out. Did you know that since 9/11 the states have all had to crack down on verifying ID's and making it harder to get driver licenses? In Georgia for instance, women who recently married and went to vote were dropped off lists becuase their surname didn't match up with thier SSN.

And like the Congressional bills pointed out, they simply cannot notify you by mail with a postcard if you are not there.

As far as illegal voting goes, how about illegal aliens getting driver licenses and being able to vote? Voting is supposed to be a right (and privledge) of citizens, not illegals.

You are quoting federal regulations, but a number of state Secretaries of State claim that state election codes supersede federal codes. And a lot of the issues here are procedural, not statutory, as I understand it. The fact is that there is no legal basis for tying voter registration to documents issued by a state's motor vehicle registry, although this has been done in a number of places now. You must realize that resident aliens also qualify for driver licenses, but they don't get to register as voters either. So I don't see the relevance of your comments about driver licenses for students and for illegal immigrants. No one claims that you need a driver license to vote or that a driver l...

You are quoting federal regulations, but a number of state Secretaries of State claim that state election codes supersede federal codes. And a lot of the issues here are procedural, not statutory, as I understand it. The fact is that there is no legal basis for tying voter registration to documents issued by a state's motor vehicle registry, although this has been done in a number of places now. You must realize that resident aliens also qualify for driver licenses, but they don't get to register as voters either. So I don't see the relevance of your comments about driver licenses for students and for illegal immigrants. No one claims that you need a driver license to vote or that a driver license proves your eligibility to vote. What you need is not a driver license but a voter registration.

And re the "lazy and pathetic" people who don't keep their records up to date, it's easy to think of ways in which ordinary, non-criminal folks can get the shaft this way. If you lost your home in a foreclosure, for example, you might end up having to stay with relatives for a while. You would temporarily be without a permanent fixed abode. Does this mean you lose your franchise? If states are using foreclosure lists to purge the voting rolls, it will. And you're saying that's justified and fair?

No one claims that you need a driver license to vote or that a driver license proves your eligibility to vote. What you need is not a driver license but a voter registration.

Actually many states do. Mine is just one of them. I encourage you to check your own states voting requirements. And if I don't even have a drivers license I can show a current utility bill.

As is plainly evident in my states voting laws as ammeded May 30th 2007,

30.2 Voter registration in person.

30.2.1 Registering in Person. The elector must provide:
● A valid Colorado Driver’s License number;
● if the voter does not have a valid colorado driver’s license, the voter shall p...

No one claims that you need a driver license to vote or that a driver license proves your eligibility to vote. What you need is not a driver license but a voter registration.

Actually many states do. Mine is just one of them. I encourage you to check your own states voting requirements. And if I don't even have a drivers license I can show a current utility bill.

As is plainly evident in my states voting laws as ammeded May 30th 2007,

30.2 Voter registration in person.

30.2.1 Registering in Person. The elector must provide:
● A valid Colorado Driver’s License number;
● if the voter does not have a valid colorado driver’s license, the voter shall provide the number of the voter’s current and valid identification card issued by the Colorado Department of Revenue.
As Amended 5/30/07 Page 69

● If the voter has not been issued a valid Colorado Driver’s License or ID card issued by the Department of Revenue, then the voter shall provide at least the four last digits of the voter’s social security number.
Authority: Section 1-2-204(2)(f.5), C.R.S.; SB06-170

30.2.2 A voter is not required to show or present his current and valid Colorado driver’s license or ID. It is sufficient for the voter to provide the number.
30.2.3 If an applicant for voter registration has not been issued a current and valid Colorado driver’s license or a current and valid identification card issued by the Department of Revenue or a social security number, the election official shall nevertheless register the voter. The applicant shall be assigned a unique identification number that will serve to identify the applicant for voter registration purposes. Section 1-2-204 (2.5), C.R.S.

If you lost your home in a foreclosure, for example, you might end up having to stay with relatives for a while. You would temporarily be without a permanent fixed abode. Does this mean you lose your franchise? If states are using foreclosure lists to purge the voting rolls, it will. And you're saying that's justified and fair?

To answer your question, yes it's fair. I had a home in foreclosure while I was inventing the very technology you are using right now, on this site today. And I was also a homeless person living out of a car for months in the hot Arizona summer.

(It will all be in my upcoming book, if you care to read about it.)

The point is this clip 'cl...

If you lost your home in a foreclosure, for example, you might end up having to stay with relatives for a while. You would temporarily be without a permanent fixed abode. Does this mean you lose your franchise? If states are using foreclosure lists to purge the voting rolls, it will. And you're saying that's justified and fair?

To answer your question, yes it's fair. I had a home in foreclosure while I was inventing the very technology you are using right now, on this site today. And I was also a homeless person living out of a car for months in the hot Arizona summer.

(It will all be in my upcoming book, if you care to read about it.)

The point is this clip 'claims' that people will be tossed off voting lists by a computers choice and that it's not fair. Don't even try to tell me about fair- Life isn't fair, but I could still get my voter registration in if I really wanted to, legally to boot. Like I also mentioned earlier, all you need is a drivers license now to register to vote in a multitude of states. That includes illegals who get the new driver license. THAT is not the America I grew up with.

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It's perfectly clear. Life throws circumstances at you that don't seem fair or just, but if you want to you can rise above them. Even though I had my home in foreclosure and ended up a homeless person, I was STILL able to register to vote. As I pointed out in the comments above Colorado (and other states) makes a provision for homeless people to vote. Unless you or someone else shows us the computer code or results that kicks out voters illegally, I ain't buying his line. Show us the money. I see a blog entry and that is not proof.

2.9 Registration of Homeless Voters.
2.9.1 For the purpose of voter registration residence a homeless voter may identify a specific location wit...

enbar-
It's perfectly clear. Life throws circumstances at you that don't seem fair or just, but if you want to you can rise above them. Even though I had my home in foreclosure and ended up a homeless person, I was STILL able to register to vote. As I pointed out in the comments above Colorado (and other states) makes a provision for homeless people to vote. Unless you or someone else shows us the computer code or results that kicks out voters illegally, I ain't buying his line. Show us the money. I see a blog entry and that is not proof.

2.9 Registration of Homeless Voters.
2.9.1 For the purpose of voter registration residence a homeless voter may identify a specific location within a precinct that the voter considers his home base to which the voter returns regularly and manifests an intent to remain, and a place from which he or she can receive messages and be contacted. A home base may include a homeless shelter, a homeless provider, a park, a campground, a vacant lot, a business address, or any other physical location.
2.9.2 If the home base does not include a mailing address, then the homeless voter must provide a mailing address pursuant to section 1-2-204(2)(f), C.R.S.

30.7 Addresses on identification
30.7.1 Some forms of identification may not contain an address. If the address appears on the identification, the address must be in Colorado. If ID presented lists only a box number or Post Office box number instead of a residence address, the registrar shall accept the voter’s affirmation, as long as the city is in Colorado.

Funny how mybarackobama doesn't even LIST the above claim by RFK as a problem.

There are many ways that states can ensure that voters who have made a good faith effort to register, such as individuals who have registered but have been purged from the rolls or those who have moved and may not be aware that they need to re-register, are not disenfranchised. One method - Election Day Registration - has already been examined in a previous Dispatch. Today's Dispatch examines some of the reasons why those who have registered or have attempted to register may not be allowed to cast a regular ballot on elec...

Funny how mybarackobama doesn't even LIST the above claim by RFK as a problem.

There are many ways that states can ensure that voters who have made a good faith effort to register, such as individuals who have registered but have been purged from the rolls or those who have moved and may not be aware that they need to re-register, are not disenfranchised. One method - Election Day Registration - has already been examined in a previous Dispatch. Today's Dispatch examines some of the reasons why those who have registered or have attempted to register may not be allowed to cast a regular ballot on election day and steps states can take to ameliorate this problem.

Maybe you should read it and gain some insight as to the problem of people not being diligent about keeping records up to date. The recent cases of voter purging have nothing to do with nefarious computers and screening. I think RFK may be in big trouble for making that claim as well. Show us real substantial evidence otherwise. I searched and cannot find any real confirmation of his 'claim'.