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7-29-2009 6:28 PM
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7-29-2009 6:45 PM
ratilfar
It does, but it does not (or should) dominate American History in or out of the classroom.
7-29-2009 7:04 PM
jatfla
If it doesn't have a place in our history then it is NOT American History. It dominated the lives of Americans up until app. 20 yrs. ago, but Madeline Murray O'Hair (sp) began it's exclusion from the public arena all by herself in the 60s. Everyone else who opposed it's place in our society jumped on her bandwagon...and so, here we are...none the better for it.
7-29-2009 9:13 PM
boniface
"You never read about how the founding fathers were nearly all Deists and that it is their world view that shaped the way they thought and achieved what they did."
7-29-2009 9:18 PM
jatfla
Some were deists, yes; but not all. Many were devout Christians. But that doesn't matter. Deists still believed in the God of the Scriptures and based our form of government on it and the Roman form of a Republic.
7-29-2009 9:30 PM
boniface
"Nearly all" does not mean "all," and that's what I said.

As for believing in the god of the scriptures, no. There was a clear distinction made between "the god of the bible" as opposed to "Nature and Nature's God." The latter is what made it into their writings.
7-29-2009 9:35 PM
BartendingBear
This has been an ongoing concern of clear-thinking individuals for far more than 20 years, jat. 47 years ago my parents, along with at least 12 other students demanded our removal from the public school classroom of a teacher who did not hide her "Christ based agenda" from her classroom teaching. These were children of several faiths or none. It was the right thing to do then and it would be the right thing now. The teaching of religious history belongs in a church setting and no other place.
7-29-2009 11:21 PM
clip-on-tie
Since we have complete religious freedom in this country to practice or not to practice, I would say absolutely it has a place.

Did it dominate in the classroom for anyone other than ralilfart? I didn't go to Bible College, so I wouldn't know.
7-29-2009 11:27 PM
jatfla
BB...that explains a lot.

Nature's God was what they understood. He was clearly revealed by His creation. It still speaks.
7-29-2009 11:48 PM
BartendingBear
Bite me, jat. You don't have a clue. I consider your conescending comment a personal insult to my dead parents and the loving wisdom they held. Each of them were many times over far better people than any amount of bible-thumping self-righteous blather which ever oozes from your foul mouth connected to your pea-brain will ever make you.
7-30-2009 7:26 PM
jay8h
You might want to check this site:

http://www.bytheword.com/Quotes
8-4-2009 6:28 PM
BartendingBear
And here are a few for you, jay8h.

“Twenty times in the course of my late reading, have I been upon the
point of breaking out: This would be the best of all possible worlds,
if there were no religion in it!”

– John Adams


“Even since the Reformation, when or where has existed a Protestant or dissenting sect who would tolerate free inquiry.”

– John Adams


“In those parts of the world where learning and science have
prevailed, miracles have ceased; but in those parts of it as are
barbarous and ignorant, miracles are still in vogue.”

– Ethan Allen


”I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do
because I notice that if often coincides with t...
8-4-2009 6:37 PM
ratilfar
“That God cannot lie, is no advantage to your argument, because it is no proof that priests can not or that the Bible does not.”

– Thomas Paine
Amen Brother Bear! Amen!

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