Mature Filter:

Please keep the porn off the public ClipMark Exchange. The mature filter works but some of us use the mature filter for offensive sites and sites that are only for adults. It wasn't meant to be a permission slip for porn.

Private Clipping:

If you find that you really want to have the ClipMarks features for your favorite porn, Make sure you make the clip private. You can still use the cliproll and e-mail and print, archiving and tagging still works too. This is a considerate way to allow you to get what YOU want and What I Want also.

Public Clip Rules: [u][i]Matu...

Mature Filter:

Please keep the porn off the public ClipMark Exchange. The mature filter works but some of us use the mature filter for offensive sites and sites that are only for adults. It wasn't meant to be a permission slip for porn.

Private Clipping:

If you find that you really want to have the ClipMarks features for your favorite porn, Make sure you make the clip private. You can still use the cliproll and e-mail and print, archiving and tagging still works too. This is a considerate way to allow you to get what YOU want and What I Want also.

Public Clip Rules: Mature Filter

No porn pictures, videos or content

All offensive or explicit content needs to be marked MATURE.
The clip title should warn of the content type.
Use tags that further describe the type of mature content.

Well, I know there will be more comments on this and I would like to see arguments from both sides. But I am not a ClipMother so if The ClipMoms decide to ban you or content filter everything or some other drastic measure to keep the porn off the public exchange I agree with them.

There is a difference between art of the body and porn. Porn websites often have a disclaimer, they have popups, they have many ads and they harbor viruses, keyloggers and trojans.
I have been to many porn sites and more artist sites. Artist sites usually have a clean entrance, no requests for solicitation, no membership flags and usually a way to buy the artists prints.
There are very few if any raw sex photos and there is usually a 'style' to the art.
My fear is that ClipMoms will ban mature content and we will lose or ability to express our 'tasteless jokes' and erotic art.

GeofDan, I posted the offensive joke clip and i won't be taking it down or deleting it because I marked it mature a...

There is a difference between art of the body and porn. Porn websites often have a disclaimer, they have popups, they have many ads and they harbor viruses, keyloggers and trojans.
I have been to many porn sites and more artist sites. Artist sites usually have a clean entrance, no requests for solicitation, no membership flags and usually a way to buy the artists prints.
There are very few if any raw sex photos and there is usually a 'style' to the art.
My fear is that ClipMoms will ban mature content and we will lose or ability to express our 'tasteless jokes' and erotic art.

GeofDan, I posted the offensive joke clip and i won't be taking it down or deleting it because I marked it mature and gave warning in the title and tags. I even put it in my Adult collection of which only 3 clips are public. I am sorry so many of your friends are too sensitive to read the title. Most of the clippers are able to govern themselves.
I meant no harm. When the porn started I had to do something so I started this commentClip. I am sorry.

This isn't a private network. This is outgoing feed, which is picked up by other out going feeds. Anyone submitting clips should realize that the behavior rules are the same as what is already permitted to go on outside. If you can't do it without getting arrested in a public park then it should bee sent out to the public playground by wire. It's not about censoring, but rather remembering where you are, and where your clips are going. There is the feature for private clip has been made available for everyone already. Unfortunately we can't watch what every one clips all the time. Until a solution is found you might want to consider selecting some clippers that cover a range of clipp...

This isn't a private network. This is outgoing feed, which is picked up by other out going feeds. Anyone submitting clips should realize that the behavior rules are the same as what is already permitted to go on outside. If you can't do it without getting arrested in a public park then it should bee sent out to the public playground by wire. It's not about censoring, but rather remembering where you are, and where your clips are going. There is the feature for private clip has been made available for everyone already. Unfortunately we can't watch what every one clips all the time. Until a solution is found you might want to consider selecting some clippers that cover a range of clippings that you approve of and make your collections, that way your visitors can come and read from your library and feel comfortably safe.
By stopping porn here you only help to protect that unaware clipper that fails to realize that there are public laws applied to public presentations. This is another case that the people who would go after them would not be the clipmarks administration but the public law enforcement system. Mark it private if you feel compelled to clip private things.
Once again, forgive me for the length of this comment, but some things are too important to express in just a few words. The rating value of the entire clipmarks community is effected by inappropriate public clips. Take it seriously.

123clipmarks. I hear you. I was thinking along the same lines of policing efforts by outside law enforcement and folks' related rss feeds.

Another thing worth mentioning is that there is a clipper here, who clipped something. I don't recall who it was. However, when I clicked on their clip to read it (here), it came loaded with a pop up. I wasn't too happy about it. (Yes, it the pop up was activated within CM - I had not gone to the url). It would not go away either. I had to shut down my browser and restart it to get rid of it. Now, I know for a fact that many porn sites have this type of obnoxious pop up system and should it filter into CM, I think the problems might be more than...

123clipmarks. I hear you. I was thinking along the same lines of policing efforts by outside law enforcement and folks' related rss feeds.

Another thing worth mentioning is that there is a clipper here, who clipped something. I don't recall who it was. However, when I clicked on their clip to read it (here), it came loaded with a pop up. I wasn't too happy about it. (Yes, it the pop up was activated within CM - I had not gone to the url). It would not go away either. I had to shut down my browser and restart it to get rid of it. Now, I know for a fact that many porn sites have this type of obnoxious pop up system and should it filter into CM, I think the problems might be more than we bargained for.

Another note: Porn has its place on the web and certainly doesn't need the CM venue to advertise. Vyieort: there's a difference between soft porn, nude art, etc and hard core porn. Sorry but I'd rather not be overburdened with hard core pop ups, advertising and flashing, oozing genitalia. I like the format of CM and in a worse case scenario, if the CM owners are having difficulty making the judgement call on (censorship of) hard core porn, it might help to take a community poll / vote. <just a suggestion>.

Here's a potential solution for people who insist on clipping Porn:

1. Set Mature content blocked by default.

2. Allow users on Clipmarks to flag other peoples content as Mature. If X or more people flag the clip (at a minimum it should require 3 accounts -- not counting moderators), auto-flip it to Mature. Yes, I'm fully well aware that this could be used as a way to filter out legitimate content. So the solution is to treat Clipmarks a bit like Slashdot.

A. A user should have an account that's been active for at least a month before they can flag other peoples content as Mature.
[i]This alone will stop most griefers in their tracks as i...

Here's a potential solution for people who insist on clipping Porn:

1. Set Mature content blocked by default.

2. Allow users on Clipmarks to flag other peoples content as Mature. If X or more people flag the clip (at a minimum it should require 3 accounts -- not counting moderators), auto-flip it to Mature. Yes, I'm fully well aware that this could be used as a way to filter out legitimate content. So the solution is to treat Clipmarks a bit like Slashdot.

A. A user should have an account that's been active for at least a month before they can flag other peoples content as Mature.
This alone will stop most griefers in their tracks as it requires advance planning.

B. Another condition for flagging a clip mature, the account should have at least some activity over a Z week period of time Y weeks prior to the moment the person wants to flag a clip Mature. In other words, if there's not enough activity the person loses their right to flag for that particular window of time.

Let me give an example. Say Bob has two accounts both opened on the same day over five months ago. His main account is in good standing. He clips on a daily basis. His other accounts he occasionally logs on to and clips just to keep it active. The keyword being occasionally. Lets say the formula is Y = 3 weeks, Z = 1 week, activity = {4 ACTIONS, being any combination of either Clips or Comments -- not Pops, this would make it too easy for people wanting to abuse the service}. The trick here is that it's looking 3 weeks in to the past, and then saying, over the course of that week were there four actions? This makes it impossible for a person to say in the here and now, "I'm going to fake some activity RIGHT this moment so by tomorrow I can sabotage Jon's clip!"

However, if Bob figures out the formula he can start cycling between the two accounts in an attempt to find a sweet spot where he gets the right amount of activity on a week by week basis such that he can flag with both accounts.

So it's not a bullet-proof system, but it at the very least requires that the person actively use their secondary accounts to keep their flagging rights. It also would start to get prohibitive in terms of time, just imagine if you set Y = 3 weeks, Z = 1 week, activity = {40 Actions}. With these sorts of assignments only people who are very active gain the right to vote, making it very difficult for a person to keep the volume of posts up betwe...

However, if Bob figures out the formula he can start cycling between the two accounts in an attempt to find a sweet spot where he gets the right amount of activity on a week by week basis such that he can flag with both accounts.

So it's not a bullet-proof system, but it at the very least requires that the person actively use their secondary accounts to keep their flagging rights. It also would start to get prohibitive in terms of time, just imagine if you set Y = 3 weeks, Z = 1 week, activity = {40 Actions}. With these sorts of assignments only people who are very active gain the right to vote, making it very difficult for a person to keep the volume of posts up between two or more separate accounts.

As a general recommendation DO NOT ATTEMPT to use statistics like "Total followers" or "Total Clips" to determine the weight of the vote. Each vote should be worth one unit. If you weight a persons vote based on age of their account, number of followers, number of clips, or % of clips popped, people will learn to abuse the system or they'll feel certain members of the community are getting special treatment.

Keep it simple, the above two rules, will filter out most of the crud and:

3. Allow for meta-moderation. There should be a filter under custom that allows users to find recently flagged Mature content. People who satisfy the above rules should be allowed to reverse ONE flag of Moderation. If the activity threshold of flagging exceeds T it should set the flag the clip moderated, hold it that way, and notify an employee working at Clipmarks that the clip needs a final, official ruling.
The real reason for this condition, is to deal with the fuzzy areas like nude art.

The system could certainly get more complicated, with things like Karma adding +1 to a persons vote, or basing it on a persons statistics and allowing users to customize how the formula is constructed for their purposes.

lol.

Um, well, I tend to be liberal in most things, but I have to agree with no porn on clipmarks... but there IS a difference between art & porn. Unfortunately, I think it would be a cold day in hell before we could get a general consensus here on where that line is...

There is no way we'll stop all people who just want to be pricks from throwing obscene (again a grey term) material on CM, however, if as a community we can agree on some general guidelines like those mentioned earlier in the thread (mark it as M!) and set "m" as hidden by default, then I think we'll have a good start.

It also begs the question of what makes porn different than other potentially offensive content? I ...

lol.

Um, well, I tend to be liberal in most things, but I have to agree with no porn on clipmarks... but there IS a difference between art & porn. Unfortunately, I think it would be a cold day in hell before we could get a general consensus here on where that line is...

There is no way we'll stop all people who just want to be pricks from throwing obscene (again a grey term) material on CM, however, if as a community we can agree on some general guidelines like those mentioned earlier in the thread (mark it as M!) and set "m" as hidden by default, then I think we'll have a good start.

It also begs the question of what makes porn different than other potentially offensive content? I mean some people find the simple bashing of Bush or Liberals offensive... I just want to make sure this site stays free speech friendly, but with consideration for our fellow clippers

First of all I would like to that Xtraeme for that dissertation and request that if he hasn't take the geek test yet, pleas do because I am waiting for some one to leave a higher score than min in the coment box. If xtraeme is serious I am sure his statistics professor was very proud of him. If he is being humorous, this proves my point that "Stand up comics" are beat hands down , by sit down hunched over the keyboard comics" on a regular basis. In hindsite I remember reading a similar explanation in the practice test for the USCF Judge qualification. any way.
If a person has enough sense to know the material is mature and has enough mental capacity to check the box, then thier brain i...

First of all I would like to that Xtraeme for that dissertation and request that if he hasn't take the geek test yet, pleas do because I am waiting for some one to leave a higher score than min in the coment box. If xtraeme is serious I am sure his statistics professor was very proud of him. If he is being humorous, this proves my point that "Stand up comics" are beat hands down , by sit down hunched over the keyboard comics" on a regular basis. In hindsite I remember reading a similar explanation in the practice test for the USCF Judge qualification. any way.
If a person has enough sense to know the material is mature and has enough mental capacity to check the box, then thier brain is als capable of deciding to not post it here and instead post it to the "porn network community" which they are probably a member of. If they don't know where one is they can use a search engine. Or I am sure that the lowlife that posted the material in the first place probably have links on thier sites to porn places. They are not hard to find. I get unsolicited invitagtion to porn networks in my stupid email account all the time. Some how they are looking for people to join thier groups and look at thier pictures.
What is the mental flaw that has pornsites sending porn to people who don't want it and pornoraphers begging to post porn on non porn sites?Thats like trying to buy fish food in a shoe store.The person who has the inability to distinguish between a site that invites it and does not, may also have the trouble distinguising between art and porn. It's some what a question of comprehension, self dicipline & a desprerat cry for attention if you ask me. Anybody who feels they need to share anything with the whole world or else throw a temper tantrum is a spoiled brat whether it is a bag of rice or their porn. If anyone has a problem comprehending this you can put the following terms in the search engine:
counseling, pycological treatment,, brat, extrovert