@ Aces

Roman Catholic priests in the United States are dying from Aids at least four times as fast as the general population, largely as a result of homosexual contact

It is not surprising since these rates mirror those in the homosexual community. It is homosexual promiscuity not celibacy (duh) that is to blame here.

I think that allowing priests, all clergy really, including Nuns, to marry and have normal sex lives would solve a lot of society's problems.

And a reversal of the rule of celibacy would not solve any societal problems. There is no evidence that celibacy is related to homosexuality, or child abuse for that matter. It is just your usual anti-Cath...

@ Aces

Roman Catholic priests in the United States are dying from Aids at least four times as fast as the general population, largely as a result of homosexual contact

It is not surprising since these rates mirror those in the homosexual community. It is homosexual promiscuity not celibacy (duh) that is to blame here.

I think that allowing priests, all clergy really, including Nuns, to marry and have normal sex lives would solve a lot of society's problems.

And a reversal of the rule of celibacy would not solve any societal problems. There is no evidence that celibacy is related to homosexuality, or child abuse for that matter. It is just your usual anti-Catholic rhetoric once again.

But this church is so adamant that all sex is evil, outside of marriage (and only marriage if you must -- ref. to Paul) that these antiquated beliefs cause their own problems.

What would solve many of societies problems, is a commitment to abstinence outside of marriage and faithfulness to that marriage. It may be an "antiquated" world view, but it really is common sense. But of course your prejudice will not allow you to reason and come to this conclusion.

It is homosexual promiscuity not celibacy (duh) that is to blame here.

Yeah, no one's disagreeing with that.

There is no evidence that celibacy is related to homosexuality, or child abuse for that matter. It is just your usual anti-Catholic rhetoric once again.

Did someone say that it was? Celibacy is, however, related to being extremely horny. Try it.

And so, if these horny priests had wives, they probably wouldn't seek sex elsewhere. (Duh.) But since they clearly do...

What would solve many of societies problems, is a commitment to abstinence outside of marriage and faithfulness to that marriage. It may be an "antiquated" world view, but it really ...

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It is homosexual promiscuity not celibacy (duh) that is to blame here.

Yeah, no one's disagreeing with that.

There is no evidence that celibacy is related to homosexuality, or child abuse for that matter. It is just your usual anti-Catholic rhetoric once again.

Did someone say that it was? Celibacy is, however, related to being extremely horny. Try it.

And so, if these horny priests had wives, they probably wouldn't seek sex elsewhere. (Duh.) But since they clearly do...

What would solve many of societies problems, is a commitment to abstinence outside of marriage and faithfulness to that marriage. It may be an "antiquated" world view, but it really is common sense. But of course your prejudice will not allow you to reason and come to this conclusion.

But this is exactly what I'm prescribing! Faithfulness to a marriage. As far as abstinence??? It hasn't worked in secular society, nor is it working in the priesthood.

Common sense tells you, therefore, it simply doesn't work. That's not prejudice, those are the facts. If they weren't facts, your priests wouldn't prove you wrong. But since they clearly do...

Celibacy is, however, related to being extremely horny.

And so, if these horny priests had wives, they probably wouldn't seek sex elsewhere.

I don't know about you but no sane heterosexual man would resort to homosexual and minor abuse, celibate or not. The problem here is not celibacy itself but rather priests with homosexual inclinations who act upon them.

As far as abstinence??? It hasn't worked in secular society, nor is it working in the priesthood.

Common sense tells you, therefore, it simply doesn't work.

Yes it does. Contrary what you and the secular media wants us to think: http://www.heritage.org/Research/Abstinence/BG1...

Celibacy is, however, related to being extremely horny.

And so, if these horny priests had wives, they probably wouldn't seek sex elsewhere.

I don't know about you but no sane heterosexual man would resort to homosexual and minor abuse, celibate or not. The problem here is not celibacy itself but rather priests with homosexual inclinations who act upon them.

As far as abstinence??? It hasn't worked in secular society, nor is it working in the priesthood.

Common sense tells you, therefore, it simply doesn't work.

Yes it does. Contrary what you and the secular media wants us to think: http://www.heritage.org/Research/Abstinence/BG1533.cfm

On a related note:

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Yo E?

The Heritage Foundation?

The foundation took a leading role in the conservative movement during the presidency of Ronald Reagan, whose policies drew significantly from Heritage's policy study Mandate for Leadership.[1] Heritage has since continued to have a significant influence in U.S. public policy making, and is widely considered to be one of the most influential research organizations in the United States, especially during the Republican administration of President George W. Bush.[2]

Heritage Foundation has actively pushed for privatization, deregulation, cuts in social spending, and pre-emptive military strikes. It played a key role in the march to war against Iraq.
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Seriou...

Yo E?

The Heritage Foundation?

The foundation took a leading role in the conservative movement during the presidency of Ronald Reagan, whose policies drew significantly from Heritage's policy study Mandate for Leadership.[1] Heritage has since continued to have a significant influence in U.S. public policy making, and is widely considered to be one of the most influential research organizations in the United States, especially during the Republican administration of President George W. Bush.[2]

Heritage Foundation has actively pushed for privatization, deregulation, cuts in social spending, and pre-emptive military strikes. It played a key role in the march to war against Iraq.
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Seriously, I wouldn't expect that group to publish anything that disagreed with their agenda. You may well have quoted from O'Reily or Limbaugh.

And the second source? Cosmic-Liturgy-sex?? Here's a clip from its "About This Blog" :

"God is a Trinitarian Family of Three Persons with an ineffable unity. This unity, which exceeds human concepts, comes from the fact that all Three fully possess the one and only divine nature."

Efrain. You know even if your stats were right, how could they ever be respected coming from these sources, which clearly and openly state a hard bias against anything that disagrees with their preexisting dogma?

Get some bias-free, non-agenda driven SCIENCE, where only the facts are important, and then state your case.

Anyway, regarding abstinence...

... just found this from Masbury titled: Religious school grads likelier to have abortions

Unwed pregnant teens and 20-somethings who attend or have graduated from private religious schools are more likely to obtain abortions than their peers from public schools, according to research in the June issue of the Journal of Health and Social Behavior.

Despite Adamczyk's finding that rates of reported abortions were higher for young women educated at private religious schools, the type of religious school was not a factor: Catholic schools had similar rates as other religious schools.

"The values of con...

Anyway, regarding abstinence...

... just found this from Masbury titled: Religious school grads likelier to have abortions

Unwed pregnant teens and 20-somethings who attend or have graduated from private religious schools are more likely to obtain abortions than their peers from public schools, according to research in the June issue of the Journal of Health and Social Behavior.

Despite Adamczyk's finding that rates of reported abortions were higher for young women educated at private religious schools, the type of religious school was not a factor: Catholic schools had similar rates as other religious schools.

"The values of conservative Protestant classmates seem to have an abortion limiting effect on women in their 20s, but not in their teens, presumably because the educational and economic costs of motherhood are reduced as young women grow older," Adamczyk said.