 AtlLiberal says: Conservatives meddle in private lives again. Doctor/patient confidentiality breached and criminalized. One for LIFE! One for Children. And one for bumper sticker emotional sloganeering.  LOL@Altlib. Huh, hon. Thank you for being a man who cares about the rights of women. America didn't protest enough, when it was time. I think that would have been when Bush was "elected", arif. Those DAMN! child loving conservatives, trying to take away a Mother's right to suck her baby's brains out. Damn them to HELL! Bunch of evil bastards. God dammit, don't they KNOW that what I do in my private life is my own damn business, if I want to punish MY kids by dipping their heads in a boiling vat of oil, well dammit who the hell are those damn conservatives to interfer, it is my private life with my children. God these conservative religous nut balls forceing their OPINIONS on people really pisses me off. It is just their OPINION that punishing my kid by cutting off his fingers is WRONG, well I don't think it is, and they shouldn't force their opinions on me and my kids because... HAHAHAHA that was awesome BitDrifter. The private life being "meddled in" the most is the defenseless child's! Hmmm, I suppose BitDrifter believes in the biblical principle of a soul. I assume he's talking about the fetus as a "person". I would say others don't agree with that position. Why they don't address this basic point of when a fertilized egg become a person is difficult to understand. The only argument I've heard is a religious justification having to do with the implantation of a "soul" by their god. Are there any other reasons? What about the woman whose health this directly addresses? Hmmm, I suppose BitDrifter believes in the biblical principle of a soul.Sure, but they only get a soul when they turn are out of my house and have a job. While they are still leeching off me, I have every RIGHT to suck out their brains at any time if I deem it nessesary. Expecially if the stress they put me under when they hit their teens threatens my health, I might have to suck out their brains to save myself, or maybe if I find out he is not doing so well in school, I might have to crush his skull and suck out his brains then too, because I woundn't want him becoming alive (when he is out of the house and has a job) if I thought he may not have a perfect life. Well you've managed to not answer anything. So you're equating your teenager with a fetus? Explain please. I'm beginning to think I've latched onto a big time troll here. Am I right? So you're equating your teenager with a fetus? Explain please.fetus, teenager, who cares neither is alive. And don't you DARE trying to force your OPINION on me saying that my teenager is alive, that is my own damn business NOT yours! easy, BD, please. i'm not asking this because of your opinion. just because of the way you're expressing it. this is obviously one of the most divisive, polarizing issues in the country. personally, i think it's a lot more complex, tricky and confusing than either side acknowledges. unfortunately, there isn't much of a middle ground with this one, so people tend to be hard core or one side of the other. i just want to say that i am in favor of a woman's right to have an abortion. but i also find it very painful and do have some hesitation in forming that opinion. After having seen ultrasounds of my daughter (2.5 years old) and another baby that we have on the way, i honestly can't imagine doing it. just because of the way you're expressing it.What taking a fringe postion and applying the arguements used to support abortion to effectively support my fringe case? no, that's not it. it's more like this... Those DAMN! child loving conservatives, trying to take away a Mother's right to suck her baby's brains out. Damn them to HELL! Bunch of evil bastards.nobody accussed anyone of that and nobody took that tone. You must not like the colbert report. Ever wonder why these babies are deliberately delivered feet first?? Because as soon as the head is delivered, the "fetus" has legal rights. The drs will turn the child if necessary to ensure a breech delivery so as to avoid this consequence, sometimes even using physical force to keep the head inside the vagina until the procedure is complete. A few inches, another few seconds, the "fetus" would have legal rights. Don't you think that's splitting hairs? When ending a human life (can we at least agree that the fetus is alive (as in not dead)?? and that's it's human (as in not a kangaroo)?? is at stake, shouldn't we err on the side of caution? I truly can't understand how anyone can th... BitDrifter, I love the Colbert Report. Enough said. Pattiq22, I've never heard this particular argument before. Neither am I a doctor. It does though, to my untrained ear, sound suspicious. And yes I agree that the fetus (I don't know why you include it in quote marks, except to make an emotional point) is human as opposed to kangaroo (???). What is the issue is is it a person? That's where the issue becomes a bit cloudy. As for the particular procedure, I happen to think that it's between a woman and her doctor. I don't think politicians should have anything to do with it. Just my opinion. I, personally don't know when a fetus should actually be considered a person and not a mass of cells. I guess if we knew when the fetus has self-awareness would be a good point at which to consider it a person. I am pro-choice. I would have it done myself, but I do think it's a medical and personal decision and not one for the government to make. I can see the ban on late-term abortions though, because I do believe the fetus has self-awareness by the sixth month. I don't support, however, a ban when the mother's life is at risk. I do not think a child's rights include killing the mother, whether it's in utero or a teenager. hudgal1, I agree. It is not an easy question to resolve. The question of consciousness needs to be addressed, as you mentioned. Perhaps smarter folks than I will one day come to some sort of agreement about this. Whether or not we agree, the question of personhood is central for the present situation. It is a legal question and definitely not a religious one. We must address this using reason and logic. And most certainly we need to take into full consideration the health and life of the woman involved. Focusing on potentialities is a dead-end. We have to deal with reality. This is a good example where we should be on guard against religious doctrine intruding on legal decisions. I do not think a child's rights include killing the mother, whether it's in utero or a teenager.A valid, reasonable arguement. Well this is just a great commentary. 0.15% of abortions are done at this point/stage in the pregnancy. They are done to save the mother's life (What a horrible thing to do!!! I say let the bitch die, and then bring the fetus into life as an orphan. Or if there's a "daddy" , perhaps he can suckle this child. BD would make a great sow). It is a heartwrenching and horrible dicision for a mother to have to make. (Maybe even more traumatic than if BD had to cut off his typing fingers, or his "baby maker" to save his life) Eric, I'm so happy to see you upholding the "Clipmarks Way" I totally get that BD deserves only a minor chastisement for his vitriol, while LT's vile language would o... Oh, and BTW: More commentary from this ball busting dyke feminist on this topic. One more! How convenient!!! Too bad [url=clipper/RevSpitz/]this guy[/url] was banned, BD. I think you two would be buddies. I'm sure you can find something here to use as your userpic. I guess you missed this lovely link* that you said you were removing, eric. *NOTE: this site is offensive to most thinking, feeling people. There IS NO warning or cover page regarding the graphic violence you will see, immediately upon page load. Glad to see I touched a nerve, it's not every day I get my name abbreviation mentioned 5 times in just a few minutes. Glad, huh??? So what's the diff between you, trolling and LT baiting?? A couple of 4 letter words. I have every RIGHT to suck out their brains at any time if I deem itIf you could get pregnant, BD, you could make the decision. Nobody wants to stop you now, if you wanna... Six, keep 'em coming. hahaha. I am having a good laugh at your expense. I'm so glad you are laughing. I feel such overwhelming remorse. Shame on me, BD. I am appalled that I allowed my dark side to take over and use you as a mere pawn to attack the "Clipmarks Way". You don't deserve it. *kiss* Thorne, I am so happy you came to your senses with that apology! I can't help but seeing the irony in, that it seems the same people who are fighting for the life and rights of a fetus, at the same time are same people who are in full support of dropping bombs on the heads of innocent Iraqi children. When exactly did these children lose that soul, that humanity, that gives them the right to life? Don't they have one? Did they ever? Ironic indeed how morals are adjusted to suit one's needs. In a world of more than 6 billion people I am in full support of a woman's right to abortion, during the first trimester. After that, only medical reasons should be able to override that. The three month point should be the point of no return. Before that, the pregnancy is an embryo. Not a fetus. When it's a fetus, I'll accept both the moral and medical indices, that the fetus can now be considered a child. There are hundreds of thousands of orphaned, sick, diseased, hungry children around the world. I think we should consider taking care of those we are SURE have "souls" first, before forcing women to put even more potentially unwanted children into the fray. If you believe in God, it sho... I'm so glad you are laughing. I feel such overwhelming remorse.Shame on me, BD. I am appalled that I allowed my dark side to take over and use you as a mere pawn to attack the "Clipmarks Way". You don't deserve it.*kiss*Seven! lol. It has to be a record. =) Listen, my comments were not intended to piss anyone off. Although I did realise it could be a side-effect (and it was), and it could also provide some humor to some pro-lifers (and it did). Much like the Colbert Report, even if suck at it unlike Stephen. I was merely trying to highlight in an absurd/satirical way the absurity (IMO) of some of the prevelant arguements that are used to defend abortion. Primarily the ... You make some very valid observations and points thisnamecantbetaken. Thanks Bit...I'm glad to be "understood" and that I could explain what I meant. .  (PS) I didn't want to overuse or abuse the BD, so I hope the Bit bit is equally satisfying. Ha ha! .;o) Good to see you, TNCBT, (My lil vixen!!) Your input is thoughtful and articulate as usual. Thanks for that. I still hold to my opinion that, since the "soul" is as yet scientifically immesurable, and since no-one knows at what point consciousness occurs, it is entirely up to the woman and her physician what procedures occur and when. The government has no business in my womb. This sort of legislation is another clear break in the wall of separation between church and state, since the arguments in favor of all of this type of legislation are based on so-called "morality" issues of religion, and have nothing to do with science whatsoever. This particular piece of legislation is, ... ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ... *LOL* My, my, my! What have I wrought. I've been lurking in the background watching this tempest ebb and flow. What fun! I early on caught the reference to Colbert and secretly wondered how long it would take for others to "get it" too. I'll have to admit that the written word is much harder to employ in satire though. BD makes that acknowledgment. But without conflict we wouldn't get to "make-up". Great points presented. Maybe I'm a foolish optimist but I never give up on talk (well almost never  ) |
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