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9-1-2006 11:42 AM516 views
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9-1-2006 3:30 PM
arifsali
That is the nature of the beast and there's nothing anyone can do about it. The same could be happening in Germany if they were to be the super power of the world today in capitalistic/materialist society. Collective short-term memory problem is natural when you have so many other things to worry about on daily basis. We're dealing with new world governments who can manipulate the media without being called the dictators. The bottom line is the power of economy and corporations.
9-1-2006 4:20 PM
RecordSage
It would be more appropriate to say that "Iraq is losing Iraq". Iraq was never part of America and wasn't meant to be... so America isn't 'losing' Iraq. The Iraqi's were given a great shot at taking their country from the ruthless hands of a dictator and building something worthwhile for themselves and their children and they're blowing it. They're the ones who wind up at a loss in the end, if they continue as they are now. In the end America will leave one way or another... and they'll be left with nothing better... except this time it wasn't due to saddam, but due to them themselves of dropping the ball and not taking advantage of a golden opportunity. So much for being the most educated arab nation...
9-1-2006 4:28 PM
arifsali
RS, hope neocons are listening to you, and they'd take America out of Iraq sooner rather than later.
9-2-2006 12:29 AM
skwirlinator
due to them themselves of dropping the ball and not taking advantage of a golden opportunity
I believe this has already happened.
Our objective was to remove Hussain. DONE
Our duty to the people is to give them method, guidance and assurrance. Cannot be done because we are not dealing with a nation. we are dealing with sects. These Sects refuse to work together. The Iraq people don't exist- never did.
Perhaps the solution is to divide Iraq into different states. each with their own set of laws and rulers and then we should leave.
9-2-2006 4:39 AM
RecordSage
I agree, skwirlinator, that sounds like the best avenue... split it according to the sects. Even with that, it's hard to believe they wouldn't attack each other, but at least they'd have their own governments, rules etc.
9-5-2006 7:50 PM
willhelm
I can see the logic in partitioning an area for the Kurds, but dividing the country based on religious sect sounds pretty dangerous.
9-5-2006 8:14 PM
jklugman
Some people have expressed concern that three Iraqi statelets would be vulnerable to the predations of other countries in the region, but given how bad things are now it is getting harder to imagine this solution producing worse outcomes than we are currently seeing.
9-8-2006 11:33 PM
wisedriver
Part of the article: "And part of the reason is that much of our media has been asleep at the switch, still taking the President's and Rumsfeld's pronouncements at face value."

Considering that "the media" is the propaganda arm of Bush/Rumsfield etc.... Any kind of naysaying upcoming has less to do with truth than toadying for new boots to lick.

I certainly don't know enough to guess if "Iraq" could do OK if partitioned but the overview is that -still- what that form would look like depends to some degree on the will of the conquerer (or will 'we' abandon those huge superfortress military bases? I doubt that).

Partition couldn't change Axis of Evil Iran into Axis of Good U.S. Corporate la...
9-9-2006 9:21 AM
TheCatWhisperer
The US looses Iraq is the correct statement.

You don't get to walk into a foreign nation throw it into a war and then leave cause you took out the guy you wanted (who by the way according to latest intelligence committee findings had nothing to do with Al-Qaeda, WMDs, or any other connections Bush & Co. dreamed up. That same committee is likely to come flat out & say that most of the "intelligence" used to go to war was fabricated.

If you are going to use the logic: "he was an evil dictator", then you have to invade about 20 more countries to take out their evil dictators. And if Iraq/Afghanistan are what happens after the US invades, well you looking t over 20 wars, and the deaths of po...
9-9-2006 10:26 AM
skwirlinator
they didn’t start this. the US did!
No matter who started it. At this point they are keeping it going. Not the USA.
Its like little kids fighting among themselves after a threat has been removed. The US ends up having to go around and settle them down.
The US is trying to restore order but the little kids won't let them. As soon as some order is restored they will go back home. But the little kids can't control themselves so the US ends up trying to babysit while some of the other kids try to grow up. As soon as the wiser kids get control of the juveniles the US will go back to their neck of the woods. Of coarse the US will need to leave a small part hanging around to see i...
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