blueridge says: Ironically, some, particularly in the "free press", are raising an Inquisition against him for being an "infidel" or "heretic" of this untouchable belief which he asserts the evidence does not support. This is Verboten to discuss, to the MSM. I think that 200,000 to 300,000 Jews perished in Nazi concentration camps but none of them by gas chambersTo make any subject of belief a crime is to prove that a new tyranny is being erected and that "liberty of conscience" and "right to private judgment" are again in serious jeopardy. Why are they so afraid, and the propaganda machine so heated up against him? If a belief is true the evidence will support and verify it, and it will stand. But if it is untrue it must and will certainly fall, eventually, unless pure force holds it up and persecutes and prosecutes all dissenters. A whole lot of politics, wars, and foreign policy hinge on this one. All the more reason to analyze it carefully. Found the Leuchter Report and outline here, which he apparently refers to. A short summary of the counter view of intellectual skeptics is here, and says in part: During both world wars Germany was forced to fight typhus, carried by lice in the constant traffic with the east. That is why all accounts of entry into the German concentration camps speak of shaving of hair and showering and other delousing procedures, such as treatment of quarters with the pesticide Zyklon. That was also the main reason for a high death rate in the camps, and the crematoria that existed in [b]... Surely it is easy to prove him wrong. Normally evidence is produced in a courtroom situation and not emotion. You can not gain or lose 6 million Jews in relatively recent history. In the Irish Famine between 1845 and 1852, it is clearer. A census taken in 1841 revealed a population of slightly over 8 million. A census immediately after the famine in 1851 counted 6,552,385, a drop of almost 1,500,000 in ten years.This 100 years earlier! Evidence, please. Imprisoning doubters without evidence is unique to this. Personally, the non production of evidence makes me wonder why the secret of the number... more from the alternative source linked above: It is easy to show that the extermination legend merits skepticism. Even the casual reader of the Holocaust literature knows that during the war virtually nobody acted as though it was happening. ...If you add all this up you have the strange claim that for almost three years German trains, operating on a continental scale in densely civilized regions of Europe, were regularly and systematically moving millions of Jews to their deaths, and nobody noticed except for a few of our Jewish leaders who were making public "extermination" claims. Does it really matter how many?. We all saw the endless photographs of the piles upon piles of skin and bones corpses. Well yes it is certainly worth questioning the numbers when the Holocaust Orthodoxy teaches 6 million Jews repeatedly as "fact", and that everyone must believe it unquestioningly to be accepted in society (a society the demands "tolerance" in other things), in every recitation now of WWII--a claim that is beyond credulity, which in pure rational thinking would normally be considered absurd exaggeration. But also what is being challenged is what the photos of corpses represents, where "gas chambers" and a program of "extermination" are charged in the Holocaust story repeatedly, but of which there was no knowledge or evidence of during the war, but which could not have been kept... And the propaganda continues to push everyone to believe this Orthodoxy is "cool", rushing out a new film using an American film idol. And rushed it was, this reported in Aug. 2008 (and note the producers): Brad Pitt has closed his deal to star in "Inglorious Bastards," the WWII drama that Quentin Tarantino will direct for the Weinstein Co. and Universal.This latest release even Drudge headlined as "Nazi bloodfest" as its plain message, but more accurately (if you watch the trailer), "kill Germans", for the word "Germans" is employed more than 'Nazi' in the trailer, or rather to equate the two. The film teaches hatred and murder. This film (with hasty bad s... Everything that lead up to the camps points in the direction of extermination. It makes little difference whether they were gassed or starved. There are other sources besides "holocaust orthodoxy" that say there were 6 million. What is the point of such propaganda that you speak of? A Jewish conspiracy to get the world to feel sorry for them? I guess you haven't seen the photos of the corpses climbing on one another trying to get air in closed rooms. Have you seen the train loads of corpses still on the tracks, the wagon loads of naked bodies or the bodies stacked in piles to be burned? It was a holocaust any way you look at it. What difference does the number make and so what if it was no the correct number? Your questions are intended rhetorically and repetitious of what has already been previously commented on. The credible evidence points to detention and deportation (which both Nazis and Zionists collaborated on, book by Jewish author), not deliberate extermination. The burning of bodies was done to prevent spread of disease (typhus from lice) from corpses, not as means of death or extermination. Now as to the probable motive behind the detention and deportation program, the historic [url=http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/articles/jdecwar.html]1933 newspaper he... Good points, but the photos and testimonies of the victims speak for themselves. Also, bishops have no place in the political arena. That is ,of course, if they are representing Him whom they claim to be representing. Don't mean to be so combative. But the number 6 million has been driven into our heads for so long and the photos are so upsetting. It seems that anyone who would seek to deny it was acting from pure hatred. But I am beginning to see a little clearer on the subject thanks to this clip. Yes, the strong emotions of the subject are what prevents careful consideration. But the number 6 million has been driven into our heads for so long and the photos are so upsetting.This is an excellent description of the very elements used in brainwashing, or propaganda--i.e. upsetting images and talking points drilled and this is done to all of us through public schools, to children of young age. Is that how subjects should be taught? Emotions and images can be abused, by-passing sober analysis and intellect, to force rash and wrong conclusions that do not match careful evaluation and facts. (Like Iraq having WMD presented to the UN with pictures as "proof"... From a recent article here, The Holocaust Explained. First, the definition of the word "holocaust" should be considered as misleading itself, and untrue: Holocaust -- from the meaning wholly burnt. 1) a sacrifice wholly consumed by fire. 2) complete consumption by fire. Oxford English Dictionary.And this distinction, "death camps" or labor camps? Nearly all of the Jewish "[Holocaust] survivors" claim that they lived in the "death camps" from three to four years, while "everybody was being killed". It seems obvious that no one could survive in a "labor camp", whic... |
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