 BitDrifter says: Daimler to pay to get rid of Chrysler. Unions suck! The issue appears to be more about the high cost of health care in the US rather than unionization per se. This is the consequence of the US going down the path of linking health care to employment rather than national health insurance. Maybe it the auto companies had parlayed their political influence to changing this they wouldn't find themselves in this situation. Maybe if they made better automobiles, as the Japanese have proven, they would have sold more. Toyota is the next king of the Hill, Detroits days are numbered, I'm afraid. You're right, Napster. There are many foreign automakers building plants in the USA: Nissan, Mercedes, Toyota, and others. The employees vote down the Unions every time and health care does not seem to be an issue with them. Detroit is dead and I hope it stays dead until they can compete without an artificial cost going in to the making of their automobiles. I will not buy an American Automobile until then. Here is an interesting clip concerning the Autmobile Business primarily Ford's success in Brazil: here The question is, will the Unions allow these new procedures to be adopted here in the United States? Maybe, maybe not. I'm very interested to see. Second.. I beleive I heard (I have no supporting docs at the moment) that there was a study conducted and it concluded that the quality of US cars now match those of Japan, however perception is laging far behind the reality. BD, If you put any stock in Consumer Reports, it seems to me they rate many Toyotas and Mitsubishis higher in just about every category. Thanks will, it was something I had heard in passing, so I would put more stock in Consumer Reports than my hear say. Thats bs...Daimler-Benz also has unions in Europe....you don't see their profits suffering. Unions require reform not rejection. Thanks, ratilfar, for your voice of reason. Thanks willhelm for not failing in my expectation of your unreasoned voice, "Unions suck". Brilliant insight, there. I'm sure you'd rather see those union retirees going without any health benefits, something they'd never have without their union voice, and too often don't thanks to corporate corruption and greed. Bad unions suck just as much as bad corporations and bad management. US business is rife with incompetent management, corrupt management, and driven by a culture of greed and avarice. All come highly recommended as I read your considered and oh so eloquent opinion. In a perfect world there may not be a need for a union voice, and I qu... Bit Drifter.... There are no longer any "national" car brands. Haven't been ones since the early 80's. Many of the parts in any car, whether is Japanese, American, Korean, French, English, German or Italian are shock full or parts and technology designed, engineered and manufactured in other countries. Your Ford may be assembled in Detroit but it probably a 1/3 Japanese, with another or so been Mexican or European. If your doing the math that would be 2/3 foreign and 1/3 domestic. Bad management and golden parachutes are as much to blame for not been able to afford retirement packages as are bad labor negotiations. Thanks to the ghost of Jimmy Hoffa unions get blamed for everything while some CEO/Corporate boards get away with murder. You're right, Napster. There are many foreign automakers building plants in the USA: Nissan, Mercedes, Toyota, and others. The employees vote down the Unions every time and health care does not seem to be an issue with them.Which seems to suggest that the problem with Detroit is not the costs of labor but bad management (quality/styling). The foreign builders pay as much or more to employees as do the domestics. Thanks, Kmcolo for pointing out another reason unions suck and have absolutely no use. Another example is the Construction Unions. They would not exist were it not for government contracts. They have mostly died out and a vast majority of construction companies are open shop. During the 80s and 90s this spurred on tremendous growth and competition in the construction industry. I once hired many Electricians away from the Unions. I never heard one of them say they preferred the Union. Not ONE. I was also a victim of their nefarious tactics. There is not much redeeming in the Unions today. Well this is only an anecdotal account, but my brother worked for a construction company in Texas that went from unionized to non-unionized and his account is that it was much better managed when unionized. He used to pick up supplies and equipment in Dallas for the company and when it went non-unionized he was constantly having to make runs for supplies they failed to request the first time around. My brother has been a Republican for most of his life but has finally seen the light. Said he was going to vote a straight Democratic ticket this time around. Once again, merely anecdotal. Yes, Yours and my accounts are anecdotal...granted. However, I was in the industry, you have second-hand opinion from your brother in Texas about a supplies issue. I think he would characterize it as a management issue. |
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