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7-16-2009 7:20 AM
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7-16-2009 9:11 AM
googleit
I have issues with this. I all SOUNDS great but I'm concerned about the final outcome of it. So they legalize, decriminalize it. The folks in jail will be freed? Maybe. But I think they will refill with pot DUI's.
The powers that be will definately start stopping and arresting people under the influence. They will have to devise some new gadget for testing for pot DUI's. That will cost a fortune! People have been driving around stoned now for over 50 years. Those people will continue to do so and end up arrested for it. If the Govt takes it over, I'll bet the laws for growing it, possessing it etc will be more harsh. They aren't going to get into the pot selling biz and let everyone possess...
7-16-2009 11:59 AM
ColoradoRight
blaze up duude - you won't have a job or be able to afford electricity, but you won't care since you will be too stoned.

We will always need garbagemen and women
7-16-2009 12:25 PM
katsteevns
Don't legalize it, we will be worse off all around.
They want us all high all the time. Remember the Opium Wars? Profit is king here in this capitalist society. Don't feed the beast. Boycott franchises, corporations, agribusiness and big Pharma . Buy locally when possible, buy organic when possible, go out of your way to do so. Don't buy seeds that are altered not to reproduce. Avoid using cash whenever possible. Utilize bartering. Let the giants fail. No such thing as too big to fail. Banking is lone sharking. The car is the greatest ecological disaster of our time. We will manage because we are lovers of peace even though the movers and shakers are otherwise. Believe in grass roots.
7-16-2009 1:08 PM
googleit
@ ColoradoRight huh? Maybe my stonedness has me all mixed up over here, but I don't understand where you're coming from dude.

@ katsteevns do what?
7-16-2009 3:43 PM
katsteevns
Just lookin' at the big picture, dude. And stay away from Google as well. Try Scroogle.
7-16-2009 3:46 PM
katsteevns
Ahhh...Ma'am.
7-16-2009 5:20 PM
googleit
That makes two of us.

Scroogle it is.


Ahhh...Masa
7-16-2009 7:07 PM
citizenbfk
@googleit - a lot has already been done, DUI testing, etc.

Also, those in prison for: non-violent, victimless crimes (repeat: Non-violent -- victimless) are expected to get on a fast track for release from prisons.

Much of this, btw, motivated by economics...the cost of police work and the cost of prisons that the 'system," needs to prioritize who is really a danger to the extent they need to be imprisoned and held in jail for years.

& right now, as we often hear from stereotypes, the biggest threat from stoners has been their appetite to eat too many potato chips.

Also there were no plans for the government to control this marijuana business, jail time penalties will end, it may/could ...
7-16-2009 8:39 PM
katsteevns
to grow their own. (which ...the idea of folks becoming farmers, should certainly please folks like katsteevns a lot).
Big @#it eating grin.
7-16-2009 8:48 PM
katsteevns
If it weren't for the automobile, maybe we wouldn't have gone down this nasty road to oil wars. Maybe there was a guy trying to tell Henry Ford he was making a big mistake but he just wouldn't listen. We should have all been farmers from the start. I bet we could have found ways to communicate that are just as good as the internet.
If we were all farmers, we wouldn't be screwing with genetics or patenting seeds or poisoning our crops and livestock with insecticides, or our vegetables with pesticides or our kids with petrochemicals. The list goes on.
7-16-2009 11:30 PM
citizenbfk
@katsteevns - True. (I wasn't being sarcastic). When people are into growing plants in truth they are "growers," and I've seen them grow in their own awareness of water quality, soil quality, having to deal with plant diseases and infestations, etc. and much more "environmentally conscious," etc. -- and growing pot would be quite a motivation enough for many folks to get into this.

Maybe not a "change the world," event but changing the consciousness and participation of people one at a time and far from the stereotype of a "slacker," worthless group...when their beloved plant is no longer illegal I've seen the development of great cultivation and improvements in their land, their homes, the...
7-17-2009 2:14 AM
katsteevns
And to think, we could have thought of all these needed changes BEFORE the deaths of 2 million Iraqis since 1991 and the ongoing bombings in Pakistan and Afghanistan. Surely, the wailing of these grieving families will turn to tears of joy for the Obama administration. Maybe we will have a holiday dedicated just to these folks who needlessly sacrificed their lives so the good old USA could march proudly on into a fossil fuel free future (sarcasm intended).
7-17-2009 1:20 PM
citizenbfk
Indeed, the murderous destruction of the U.S. military is horrific, seems to be self-propelled and out-of-control, beyond the control of citizen's wishes.

Even in London, for example, they had the world's largest anti-war protest with one million people in the street and what happen? -- their involvement in the war goes on.

50 years ago our leading general from WWII and former President Eisenhower warned of this as a great threat to the nation. He called it "the military-industrial complex."

So these ideas are not new and activist -- and even presidents - have made warning about non-stop war making seeming to have a will and drive of it's own.

If your mind is made up that it's hopeless t...
7-17-2009 9:39 PM
katsteevns
The proof is in the pudding.
7-17-2009 10:10 PM
katsteevns
The simple fact that there is very little grief expressed in the US about what I have just described is evidence enough of the hopelessness.You can't just go around destroying nations and countless lives and then expect to learn from it by merely slapping yourself on the back of the hand and vowing to do a better job next time.What goes around comes around and it hasn't come around as of yet. We still think of ourselves as the self appointed guardian of liberty for the planet and this could not be farther from the truth. It is down right delusional.It's chauvinistic nationalism.
7-20-2009 12:58 PM
citizenbfk
@katsteevns - Yes, I agree with your view of the real history of the USA.

I guess our only difference is I think you can take action to change things.
7-21-2009 7:46 AM
katsteevns
Well, if we as a people don't know our history, then as the old saying goes, we are doomed to repeat it.
If your campaign contributers are Shell oil, Raytheon, and General electric, You will have a much more difficult time changing things in the service of the people.
7-21-2009 12:42 PM
citizenbfk
How true. I've been thinking about that cliche: "learn from history."

I've been thinking people don't learn from history at all.
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