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7-1-2008 6:11 PM
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jklugman says:
I ordinarily stay away from "liberals are x; conservatives are y" stories but what the hell, we've seen a lot of that lately on Clipmarks and this study looks well-designed.
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7-1-2008 9:09 PM
masbury
Fascinating. It does suggest that strategies are needed to de-isolate the far right. But I guess it is what you'd expect, given the nature of conservatism and liberalism. Consider this from Wikipedia:
Conservatism is a term used to describe political philosophies that favour tradition, where tradition refers to various religious, cultural, or nationally defined beliefs and customs....(Some conservatives seek to preserve the status quo or to reform society slowly, while others seek to return to the values of an earlier time, the status quo ante).
I had an unusually conservative preacher friend years ago who insisted he didn't read anything written after 1900. Obviously, that's...
7-1-2008 9:12 PM
masbury
So we progressives argue that things should be changed because human needs are obvious, while conservatives argue that change itself is a bad thing, and it's better to tweak what is (witness the healthcare debate).
7-1-2008 11:36 PM
sillysam
No we don't posit that change is a bad thing. We believe in the politics of proscription. We believe that we stand on the shoulders of the giants that came before us. We believe that human beings do adjust to new times but they don't chuck the past in favor of change for change sake. We also don't believe in selling out our core values because the world might be changing. The main reason for this is that the change that is occurring may not be good. Can you imagine abandoning your beliefs for change and then finding out you made a mistake?
7-2-2008 12:51 AM
willhelm
Normally, I would say that if a study does not confirm what we expect to be the case, then it is bogus. However, I actually think this study may be accurate. Most Liberals, especially those reading blogs, are typically of the younger set. When I was young, Progressive-minded, and politically/socially ignorant I tended to have a healthy interest in all opinions, as I still do to this day. However, now as a Conservative, I have little use for the Progressive/fascist blogs that are typically bent on hate and propaganda, and they just do not appeal to me on an intellectual level. Been there, done that. I still check them out from time to time, but they tend to be the same loony-ness. Left wing b...
7-2-2008 6:22 AM
deb2012
study says left wing = more open minded
great news for conservatives, agree
7-2-2008 10:24 AM
Charlie Martel 732AD
A conservative genuinely interested in the liberal point of view doesn't need to go to the trouble of seeking out liberal blogs; we're drenched every day in a torrent of liberal propaganda spewed forth by the main stream media. To find genuine conservative voices, not the largely phony Rush Limbaugh, false flag, neoconservatives (I like much of what he has to say, but he generally supports the genocidal, and therefore "racist," "fascist" and "nazi-like" Third World immigration/invasion/blitzkrieg into the Western World, that is rapidly phasing out Western Man, including its Jewish sub component, and he only reluctantly joined the bandwagon against illegal immigration when he realized that F...
7-2-2008 10:24 AM
willhelm
...as it relates to political blogs. Most young people are not conservative. Conservatism tends to come as the result of open-mindedness, education, and age.
7-5-2008 8:18 AM
deb2012
The stereotype of a cranky old man, set in his ways, getting more conservative by the day, is an enduring one. But new research has debunked the myth that people become more conservative as they age.

By comparing surveys of various age groups taken over a span of more than 30 years, sociologists found that in general, Americans' opinions veer toward the liberal as they grow older.

"All the evidence we have found refutes the idea that as people age their attitudes become more conservative or more rigid," said Nicholas Danigelis, a sociologist at the University of Vermont. "It's just not true. More people are changing in a liberal direction than in a conservative direction."

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7-5-2008 8:23 AM
deb2012
Byond Red vs. Blue has a study you might be interested in will
7-7-2008 3:09 PM
willhelm
Thanks, deb2012. My point is that it is relative. Are you open-minded about the prospect of dragons and trolls occupying the center of the Earth?

Open-mindedness is not a condition of intellect. It is merely a generalization of the willingness to apprehend knowledge. And politically speaking this study should not instill much confidence in Liberals about the confidence many on the Left hold in their current understanding.

I am a firm adherent in the importance of generalizations, but one must be able to think reasonably about ordered categories and semantics and the implications these have in what we choose to believe.
7-7-2008 4:53 PM
deb2012
this study should not instill much confidence in Liberals about the confidence many on the Left hold in their current understanding
I wouldn't make that conclusion; it could be just the un-ending pursuit of knowledge as a liberal and open-minded person.

Maybe this study might imply those on the right are no longer willing to change their mind, rather than liberals aren't confident in their understanding. I'm not saying either is bad thing, but one conclusion might explain the study just as well as the other.
7-7-2008 6:36 PM
willhelm
I would agree with you deb2012 and that is basically my point. Remember, this study is confined to politics and blog readers, as far as I am aware. However, where you make an illogical jump is in your assessment that those on the right have ended their pursuit of knowledge, which by the way is pretty closed-minded.
Politically speaking, there are many gray areas here. In some cases the mere fact of having an opinion is closed-minded (disbelief in anthropogenic global warming or belief in God), while holding another opinion (belief in anthropogenic global warming or belief in the non-existence of God) is considered open-minded.
Maybe this study might imply those on the right are no lo...
7-7-2008 11:42 PM
deb2012
the Red/Blue study shows there is such a huge spectrum of political preferences that to allow this study to be definitive of anything misses the mark. I did not make the leap that conservatives have ended their pursuit of knowledge, btw.You implied many liberals are less confident and I could see other possibilities, including one that I mentioned-it had nothing to do with what conservatives are doing.

we are on common ground that having an opinion "can" be closed minded, especially if one is unwilling to change one's mind. Maybe perception is reality only for the perceiver. I agree with Charlie===the study makes what is to me a weak connection that open mindedness is predominant in...
7-8-2008 12:13 AM
willhelm
Surely you aren't saying every conservative is open minded, just like I wasn't saying every liberal is.
Absolutely not. In fact, as far as political issues go, I would agree that Conservatives pretty much have their minds made up on fundamental values. That is why I tend to find truth in this study, judging it solely on face value. I probably wouldn't be a "closed-minded" Conservative if I were not once an open minded Leftist
(sarc.).

That said, the whole study just seems a little self-serving. How is "liberal' defined in this study? In the true meaning of the term I am Liberal.
Does left-wing mean Progressive? Does it mean Socialist? How do these typically hell-bent id...
7-8-2008 12:20 AM
willhelm
In other words, I think it is important to separate the quality of open-mindedness from ideology because the open-minded are less likely to actually be true adherents of the ideology.
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