 egoldstein says: Wow...it is so scary to get a glimpse into how little the Bush administration is in touch with reality...and also the extent to which they do not care about rules or what anyone else thinks. I see it a little differently, I believe they are in touch with the reality but instead of everyone jumping ship (as in a Mutiny) they are all going to go down with the ship (right, wrong, or indifferent). This administration is more interested in power than they are with INTEGRITY. You can't lead by following a mob, that's why we have elected officials who are suppose to 'lead', not follow polls or public opinion that changes weekly. You can't fight a war by following public opinion, which is shaped by the media, which mostly happens to be anti-Bush. As for being in touch with reality - they get the reports of what's actually going on down there... we do not. We have many opinions etc., but they aren't based on hard data and facts coming back from the forces on the ground down there. So, the reality issue is certainly debatable as to who actually sees reality and who doesn't. No question that it's a bad situation, as the man said, we went in there with a set of go... I wish someone would define "succeed" in the iraq context. No one has done it, ever. Nobody knows what success would look like. It's like chasing a rainbow. If someone would just say, success is when a, b, and c, happen, then we'll pull our troops out, that may actually help. How can you accomplish something when you don't know what it is you are trying to do. Just an observation; did anyone else notice during the State of the Union address that when Cheney took a drink of water, even though Bush's back was to Cheney, Bush immediately took a drink of water. i did notice that debbyski...we were watching it here in the clipmarks office and we were all like, "woah, they just drank at the exact same moment...definitely a conspiracy!" "As for being in touch with reality - they get the reports of what's actually going on down there... we do not. :" Now that is hogwash. If they know more, why are they so inefficient at doing something about it. How come they get it wrong EVERY SINGLE TIME, and why is that they get caught lying more times than no (9 out of 10). Its a smokescreen, one that the winds of reality blew away a long time ago. I watched this interview of Cheney by Wolf Blitzer. I wish Bush and Cheney had been doing this all along and not caving to the apologists on the left. P.S. I could whine about this being a CNN left wing biased interview, but then I'd sound like a sniveling Democrat. @ratiflar - stop being philosophical for a second and put yourself in their shoes, i.e. a totally different country, different language, different culture, you can't drive down the road without SERIOUSLY considering if this will be your last trip etc. etc. etc. - do you think you could do better under the circumstances? Part of the reason they "get it wrong every time" is because they're trying to walk on eggshells over there. They're trying to kill as few as possible, they're trying to be PC, they're trying to keep you happier and on and on and on. That's not how wars are fought, at least not the ones with serious intent to win. @debbyski - since you're so good at body language - can yo... Record, I didn't notice any any annoying mouth movements, but her continual blinking was driving me bonkers! I also noticed Cheney smiling like he took a big dump or something, but it must have been his anticipatory response via the teleprompter. Part of the reason they "get it wrong every time" is because they're trying to walk on eggshells over there. They're trying to kill as few as possible, they're trying to be PC, they're trying to keep you happier and on and on and on. That's not how wars are fought, at least not the ones with serious intent to win. RecordSage I agree with the majority of what RecordSage has stated. There is no way we can just up and leave Iraq at this point and if we truly had the intent on winning, we would have done it by now. Is it more important that Bush fails..... or that the United States do the right thing in Iraq. We need to complete this War and do the right thing for our troops. Our sons and d... You can't separate the two - if Bush fails, as you say, the US fails. They're not 2 different entities at this time. Why is it so difficult to understand. If you look at Bush and only Bush - he's sailing into retirement. He's got a year and he's done, he'll be getting his security staff, his $400k/yr pension, his speeches etc. Life of luxury until he checks out. That's the reality of Bush right now. The US is the one in jeopardy, yet even though he really could just say 'the hell with all of you' - he's still trying to do something so the US doesn't fail. Again, vast majority of people who are so anti-war now - were in total support of it when we started. The difference is - they c... Why to believe that he is trying to do something right now while he is in his way to retirement and all what he care about is his pay check, keeping in mind his record which is full of lies and misconduct. You can believe whatever you want. He is going into retirement - there's no question there. As to your allegations - that's your interpretation, certainly shared by some, but just as certainly not shared by many others. You have no proof that he lied etc. Just because someone spewed it and you followed - doesn't make it so. I've yet to see anyone actually show factually and unequivocally that he lied. Part of the reason they "get it wrong every time" is because they're trying to walk on eggshells over there. They're trying to kill as few as possible, they're trying to be PC, they're trying to keep you happier and on and on and on. That's not how wars are fought, at least not the ones with serious intent to win.Hear hear! Amazing, now I know where the votes for Mr. bush came form... Please review all the reason for invading IRAQ, can you claim that one of them is legitimate . Part of the reason they "get it wrong every time" is Hear hear!And yes lets nuke Iraq and by that we will kill all the terrorist there for sure. Hear hear !!!!!!! No one has done it, ever. Nobody knows what success would look like. It's like chasing a rainbow.It is for YOU. Good people who know what "support the troops" MEANS are defining it every damn day. In clear,concise words. You don't hear it -- EVER -- because you are not listening !! The Democrats know...because of 'public opinion' change...So, they (Democrats) will do everything in their power to make sure we don't succeed in Irag. by RecordSage With all due respect, RecordSage, I need you to understand that I have not separated the two (Bush and US) as separate entities. What I meant by my statement 'Is it more important that Bush Fails...or that the US do the right thing in Iraq." was in reference to the 'Democrats will do everything in their power to make sure we don't succeed in Iraq.' We, as the people of the United States of America need to support our troops (Son's & Daughter's) and to also support Bush in this fight; we need to complete this task/war. If w... Perhaps I misunderstood some of your prior sentiments, but I certainly agree with your prior comment. We do need to support our troops and our country first and once this deal is done and they're NOT in harms way, then we can look back and critique things, see what we did right, what we did wrong, what we should do in the future and what we shouldn't... hindsight is always 20/20. As for the Democrats - they certainly appear to be more invested in our failure than our success... which is unfortunate since 'we' is suppose to be them as well. I believe it is legitimate for the democrats to invest in the failure of Mr. Bush policies, Is not it the right way to get fresh idea to the wight house. or should we all support him doing wrong or right. It is in the power of this nation to benefit from its mistakes not to doing them again. I agree that opposing politicals entities do have a right to point out mistakes of their opponents, since the intent is to gain power. What I disagree with is using such tactics when it hurts the entire nation and that's what this is about. Losing in Iraq (or however you want to word it) would have very negative impact on the USA in many respects. All Americans should be vehemently opposed to such outcome because of that. |
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