Every day the world get's more ridiculous. I agree with you... even my misplaced apostrophe? Indeed. Theodora there would probably be far better off if she were to be raised in a children's home. Or, perhaps if she were passed around foster homes - that's always good for a child. Groan. as long as she is provided with a stable home and love she will be alright. This is great!! Every day the world get's more ridiculous.Right.. because to men adopted a child or because they were gay? Wat's wrong with that? I agree with anon (I think) that the child would be much worse off being passed around group homes and foster families, etc... I have experience in such situations... group homes and foster families are generally bad for kids.. they tend not to get the attention and love they need (I know this is a generalization, but considering my experiences and those of many kids I knew while I was in the system, it's not far off). I would gladly have traded any of my foster home/group home placements for an adoption by a loving family, gay or not. I don't think a gay "family" is a good example for a child. Imagine the confusion inside that child´s head...whats the normal thing? a gay or a hetero family? and please don't tell me they´re both normal! Gay or lesbian people are not criminals obviously, but, please, they are not biologically normal. why is it confusing.. it is confusing to you.. but children have little to no prejudices.... they only pick them up form adults... I know kids that have grown up with and around gay people.. they are only confused about why people hate gays... Usual nonsensical responses. A is ok because B would be worse, and concern for children equals hate of homosexuals. Two normal men raising a child would be far from ideal. I think that this is about giving children safe and happy homes - and, yes, if A is better than B, why not go with A? I do believe your response there is somewhat nonsensical itself. Now, I'm going to sound like Ali - give me some evidence that two men raising a child would be far from ideal (normal or otherwise - although pardon me while I laugh at that for a while). I don't believe we know this for a fact, therefore there is little reason in not trying it. I however, do know for a fact that kids raised by gay couples grow up just fine. I know a few  as for "nonsensical responses".. i understand them fine.. it's not my fault you can't... I however, do know for a fact that kids raised by gay couples grow up just fine. I know a fewAnd I'm confident that when we start to do research on this, this is the result we will find. Another example result we'll find, I dare say, is that these children are less likely to be violent offenders than children raised by a traditional family. Or less likely to be unsuccessful in school. Or less likely to be involved in criminal activity. I dare say... Well, not sure I'd go that far, but I would almost guarantee you'll find that they are less homophobic, and quite less likely to commit violent or criminal acts based on bigotry or racism. (or was that what you were saying?) Given what is known about some of the antecendents of such behaviours, I would hazard a guess that those sorts of results would be found. It's all about the odds, really. I don't often make such stark comments here (or anywhere), but I've thought about this, and how one might hypothesise such research if one was proposing it. (Of course, you would probably have to be somewhat less political about it, but that's what you would be driving at.) I forgot to mention that there are many other letters in the alphabet beyond A and B. Homosexual adoptions and a horrible life are being presented as the two choices. It is not an either or situation. That argument could be presented in a number of equally illogical ways. I support Den Of Theives adoptions because a child is much better of being raised by a kindly group of folks who love kids ( abeit criminals) than by a hypocritcal religious family that mistreats them. Nobody's buying this nonsense so why not keep it real in your debate tactics. I'm off to the pub shortly, secure in the knowledge that no matter what happens on Clipmarks, I never ever get as rude as you Godfrey. I think that must be because I just feel all round better about my opinions and I don't feel the need to get nasty and condescending. Good work there, chap. GD, is often like this, he never sees any other point of view other than his own... and often resorts to meanness and name calling. No use in even trying really  Have fun at the pub.. I'll be off in that direction in another 3 hours! YAY! You have fun too, lad! Although that's an early start for you! It's been a long week :| I was being rude? Here too. Although I didn't get as much done this week as I wanted - it was mostly socialising actually. Anyway, enough hijacking of this thread I suppose. ....and mean? and name calling? What are you talking about? I see other points of view in their entirety and consider them all. I think you mean to say that I consistently disagree with you perhaps, but never without giving your view consideration. I'm old enough to remember all the uproar about interracial marriages. (Yes, that old!) Same stuff all over again. All the arguments about how "unnatural" this was, and how it would destroy the quality of marriage - not poverty, alcohol, drugs, child or spousal abuse -- but the wrong skin color was going to destroy "normal" marriage. And didn't it make your stomach turn to think about 2 people of different colors having, you know, sex. And think of how confused those interracial kids would be. You know, how would they form a "normal" identity. So worried about gays when there is a statistically confirmed epidemic of child and spousal abuse at the hands of straight, white males (fathers, un... I still fail to see what's wrong with 2 gay men (or women) raising a child. The interracial non-analogy is more nonsense. First, the whole notion of race is a human construct, sexual differences are not. There is one human race and there are two sexes. Wow!! What´s is going on here? I believe this is one of those issues that will always be "not easy" to discuss. There are hundreds of different opinions. The future will tell us how this will work. Some issues are a little to important to leave to the future. Family is the foundation of our cultural future. It's already been done. [1]I however, do know for a fact that kids raised by gay couples grow up just fine. I know a fewAnd I'm confident that when we start to do research on this, this is the result we will find. We are not talking about sexual differences. We're talking about sexuality. The whole spectrum of sexuality. You are right on the mark with your posts here GD. I get really tired of people that will bash someone just because they oppose something. They think that opposition translates into hate or ignorance. How hateful and ignorant! I oppose that! I can believe that it is immoral/unethical for two gay men to raise children just the same as someone else can believe it is OK. Why is my belief ignorant and thier opinion is intellectual? because it is |
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