 thisnamecantbetaken says: Staying informed is an absolutely vital part of being a responsible person. It's a duty, in my eyes, to know exactly what kind of 'Brave New World' we're all living in. Good clip, thisnamecantbetaken. I never even knew about this until Wilhelm commented on it on one of my clips. I'm not giving Wilhem enough credit. What an epiphany! It pleases me to no end that one more person now knows about this! Seen in relation to the new Military Commissions Act, this is just so important for people to know. You've made my day debbyski you truly have! Pass on the info about it all to anyone who will listen and shove it in the faces of those who won't. Good on ya!!  Pop and clip anything you find on this subject. Bad things are in making, mate. Bad things. People need to know.I've got a clip called "Echelon Buzzwords" that shows you just which words they're monitoring. If you didn't know about this before, prepare yourself for a shock. Just by writing about stuff like this get's you monitored. That's why I started the clip about "Am I a terrorist now?!?". According to the MCA being a peaceful protester like me, could get me in a hell of a lot of trouble theoretically with the Bushites and Cheneyacs. I've got a parallel firewall installed called PeerGuardian and the hits from DoD are just pouring in, I'm telling ya! It scares the bajeezes out of me, but I have to speak out about these things. If you want to know who's listening in? Install "PeerGuardian" and flip on the 'gov' block list. My disbelieving friends were SHOCKED when they did the same and discovered the level of monitoring. It's all so surreal, but this is what's going on, like it or not. This is what makes Clipmarks so great. The normal person, just finding out about this, will sleep like a baby tonight. Others of you angst-ridden paranoiacs will likely need to up your meds. Information's funny like that. I know, I know the "normal" person will sleep like a baby tonight Apathy, apathy everywhere, but who gives a fuck, right! Hey, just because everybody's out to get you doesn't mean you are paranoid, GD. Got two comments to that: "Even the paranoid have enemies" and "Ignorance is bliss"..... eh, Godfrey? I am far from apathetic, I just focus on real concerns. A difficult distinction to make and notice for those who spend too much time in imagination scripted by cynicism. Just what exctly is it you're not getting here, Godfrey?? Do you think the MCA is something we're just imagining??? Take the blindfold off here man, and get real for once!! This is too serious for you to be spewing out rubbish, sarcasms and trashing folks just because you refuse to see the facts! The MCA IS REAL!!! How much longer are you gonna keep living in denial? Read it, why don't you, before you make another ill-fated comment! You're one piece of work you are... sheesh. And just in case you've forgotten, it's called "The Military Commissions Act 2006" of October 17th, 2006. Read it!! The world is a dangerous place. Civilization was long in the making and much travail, suffering, and sacrifice made it possible. It must be protected. I am thankful for the adults of the world who recognize its value and who do what is needed to ensure its survival, even while enduring the ravings of the ungrateful. You don't seem to (want to) understand, that this isn't just about good guys vs bad guys, terrorists vs decent folks. It's about governmental and legislative abuse of powers. About a regime vs civilians, ALL civilians worldwide. It's about good and/or bad folks being picked up at random, tortured and detained without having the oportunity to stand before a judge and defend themselves. No trials, nothing. Just like the "Enabling Act" was... It's exactly the same thing. Exactly! Is that's the kind of world you want to live in? I sure don't. Just be a nay sayer then. I don't mind. No skin off MY nose. I'm putting these clips up for those who want to know. You obviously don't. Just ignore my clips then, I couldn't give a s*** to be honest. To me, you are a lost cause...by choice. A pity, but nothing I can do about it obviously. Not seeing an issue in black & white terms doesn't mean ungratefulness. Staying informed is an absolutely vital part of being a responsibleCan someone please give me a break. What insanity. These things have been in effect since Clinton statrted them. This is no more a brave new world than gps devices. next you'll be telling me the government is in possession of stealth technology. There you go again Wilhem, blaming Clinton for everything. So, since I said these things were started under Clinton, that is perceived as blame ? And you say "there you go again" ? Where have I ever "blamed" Clinton for anything? In fact, I believe echelon to be a good thing, if used with the heavy scrutiny each party places upon the other and full awareness of the public. You can go back to sleep now. Echelon (old) + MCA (new) = a potential for incredible abuse. Operative word; potential. Essentially everything has both positive and negative potential. It's your imbalance in weighing and evaluating the two, and seeming lack of consideration of the factors that the realities that these programs address, that appears paranoid You're right! Just as they 'potentially' have gathered up 100's of folks and shipped then off to Guantanamo without due process, or 'potentially' have driven US citizen Padilla insane by sensory deprivation and torture for more than 3½ years, or how they 'potentially' could breach people's rights to privacy through unwarranted survelillance activities...yeah, the potential's there alright! Imbalance my a***! Tell that to the prisoners in Gitmo. Your sympathies for Padilla and those at Guantanemo further illustrates the imbalance. Your LACK of sympathy, further illustrates the abuses and misuses people are willing to accept and/or commit and exactly why these things are not acceptable in a civilized democratic society. Your LACK of sympathy, further illustrates the abuses and misusesThis is illustrative too! Good! It's about governmental and legislative abuse of powers. About a regime vs civilians, ALL civilians worldwide. i agree also it doesn't matter whether this was started under Clinton, Carter, Reagan or Bush, it is the abuse of power that is the issue. The American Government is becoming as scary as those we are taught to believe are oppressive and scary. How did that happen. And sometimes I think Christians are naively being used in the process to advance the agendas without realizing what is going on. Blind faith in our government leaves all of us vulnerable. The original ECHELON dates back to 1971. However, its capabilities and priorities have expanded greatly since its formation. The blame for the expansion of power doesn't lie under any particular President, Wilhelm. It was stated once: "Either you're with us, or you're with the terrorists" My take on this is, that terrorists are people who would inflict unfair, unjustified, unwarranted, revengeful and horrific suffering on others for the sake of furthering their own cause or agenda and that by no means can be interpreted as being humane or decent or democratic or legal in any capacity whatsoever .... which is applicable to the MCA too. By some of the comments here, I'm horrified to see that the so-called terrorists aren't the only ones. Echelon is a tool that supports and aids the implimentation of the MCA. The MCA is simply an abomination, a filthy torturous law and anyone who would support thi... (PS) According to the MCA, all that is needed to be picked up and shipped off, is that someone [c]appears[/c] to [c]suspect[/c] that you [c]might[/c] be in support of terrorist activities. Maybe the comments made by some heartless people here supporting torture and evil-doings should watch out THEY don't get a knock at the door some late night. It sure is beginning to [c]appear[/c], that some folks may NOT be in full support of our democratic freedoms and values. Hmm.... makes you stop and wonder, eh? Damn syntax s***, but hopefully the point is made clear. And who CARES if you think you're "in the clear"? That you're one of the good guys... You won't be given a trial. You won't be allowed to know who your accusers are, or even what the charges against you are! How are going to prove that you're innocent!? NO-ONE is "in the clear". Those in support of this law should be very aware of the fact, that it applies to THEM too. Help get this law repealed. Debbyski, I know all about Echelon. I was the one that informed YOU about it, remember. Don't lecture me. I am more informed about these things than you can possibly know. Now answer my freakin question. WHERE HAVE I EVER BLAMED CLINTON FOR ANYTHING. Are you going to stand by that lie. I don't take kindly to lying. It is of the lowest form and often is what leads to violence. That is why it disgusts me so much in public discourse. You and your hateful counterparts in this thread have really shown out in this thread. PATHETIC LIAR YOU ARE! I thought more highly of you than that. I have been more critical of Bush than I have any other politician. So you are clearly once again uninformed and at... I remember you were the one that told me about Echelon Wilhem; refer back to comment #1 in this thread. I am not lecturing you. You are name-calling and acting like a schoolgirl. Please act like an adult. If you think I am going to look back through every comment you ever made and try to find some comment you made about Clinton, you are mistaken. But it seems to me you have been critical of Clinton in past comments; it's an honest mistaken if I am mistaken. OK so you admit you lie and make inflammatory comments. Then, you say I am acting like a "schoolgirl". I guess that is good fodder for your ignorant, pavlovian, and imbecilic counterparts, but it really has no purpose other than to provoke. You have shown your colors. Read your own comment there wilhelm. Inflammatory comments and name calling seem to flowing right out of YOU. debbyski has stated that she if she was honestly mistaken, she apologizes. That's not lying. If you're gonna put out insults yourself, then perhaps you shouldn't bounce so indignated on other folks wilhelm. Wilhelm, I said it seems to me that I remember you being critical in past comments about Clinton. That is my best recollection and an honest one. Wilhelm, practically every other comment you make to me has no purpose other than to provoke, and why is that? Certainly, we can disagree, if you don't like my opinion you can respond to it without the intent to provoke, and actually lead to meaningful conversation. I would welcome that. It seems to me that I enjoyed our conversations about Christianity in other clips. Quite frankly, I think clipmarks would be very boring if we all sat around and agreed with each other. deddyski has been civil and polite throughout this whole clip, so I really think you're overreacting and should apologise yourself wilhelm. Your attacks on debbyski are uncalled for. Debbyski, So now you say I provoke as a matter of practice. 3 lies in one thread. Your recollection is remarkable that in fact I have NEVER been critical of Clinton. Perhaps a policy or two, but never in regards to Clinton himself. So your recollection has failed you remarkably. I too have enjoyed our discussions. That is why I AM so 'indignant" that you have joined the pathetic likes of thisname and others. My intent is not to agree with anyone, it is to be clear and gain understanding. I thought you were of the crowd that could could debate without lies, agree or disagree. But obviously, that is not the case, because now you commit a 4th Lie and mischaracterize my past comments. Your perc... "...the pathetic likes of thisname and others" Very nice wilhelm... http://clipmarks.com/clipper/debbyski/ This comment had no intent to provoke? http://clipmarks.com/clipper/debbyski/ How about this one? And Wilhelm, check out the first comment on this one: http://clipmarks.com/clipper/debbyski/ It's about CLINTON. Another intent not to provoke: http://clipmarks.com/clipper/debbyski/ Now, you may say these are only observations; there is no intent to provoke. And in your mind, you may be right. And you should give me the same benefit of the doubt when I make comments; I only made an observation of past comments I recollected. I c... However, calling someone a liar is a definite provocation.So you lie, and admit it, then say I'm doing the provoking. Nice twist, and quite provocative. Then you want to provide examples that I'm certain are examples of nothing other than your eagerness to justify your lies. However, you are right and truthful about 1 thing. This whole thing is ridiculous and your last comment and it's futile attempts are evidence. GEEZ, I am not clipping the links properly. The first one is to my clip HUBRIS #3 is Clinton turns tables on Fox #2 is Can any Christian support the GOP #4 is London Braces for Terrorist Attack. They are all under my clips useless. Now your looking for something to critique and avoid parody, common sense, humor, though-provoking questions and comments and comparing them to your displays in this thread. Funny and sad at the same time. Whatever, Wilhem. Your perceptions belong to you. How do you know my perceptions? See, this is the strange attitude I'm talking about. I never revealed to you my perceptions. You assume to know things you cannot possibly know. Let us just deal with facts and evidence, instead of trying to paint me with aspersions that have no basis in fact, reality, or example. When you say something like; "there you go again, blaming Clinton for everything", I would suspect you could come up with 1 example out of the thousands of comments I've made. Yet, you cannot come up with even 1. So how can it be that I blame Clinton for "everything". The comments I have made critical of Bush outnumber Clinton probably in the ballpark of 500 to 0. Sop get your facts straight. Perhaps because you stated them in the immediate clip before maybe? But again debbyski didn't say she knew your peceptions. All that was stated was that the perceptions you DO have are you own! "Now your looking for something to critique and avoid parody, common sense, humor, though-provoking questions and comments and comparing them to your displays in this thread. " Isn't that your stated perception then? Forget about it debbyski. Wilhelm is just in the mood for arguing and mincing words apparently. Blind faith in our government leaves all of us vulnerable.Back on topic....*s* I think NonStatusQuo sums it up beautifully. |
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