As with any religion, Moonbattery has its share of martyrs.

The Fastest way to martyrdom in the Church of Moonbattery is to be exposed to the world at large as the left-wing fringe lunatic you are and to, as a direct result of such exposure, be chased out of a position of trust or authority.

That you are, in fact, a left-wing fringe lunatic is a given with these people. If you weren’t, they wouldn’t worship and adore you. It is the exposure of your true nature to too many sane, rational people that brings about your downfall, as the only way to advance Moonbattery is to successfully hide what you are up to from the masses long enough to do great damage to American society, just as it is wr...

As with any religion, Moonbattery has its share of martyrs.

The Fastest way to martyrdom in the Church of Moonbattery is to be exposed to the world at large as the left-wing fringe lunatic you are and to, as a direct result of such exposure, be chased out of a position of trust or authority.

That you are, in fact, a left-wing fringe lunatic is a given with these people. If you weren’t, they wouldn’t worship and adore you. It is the exposure of your true nature to too many sane, rational people that brings about your downfall, as the only way to advance Moonbattery is to successfully hide what you are up to from the masses long enough to do great damage to American society, just as it is written in the Moonbat Bible, Saul Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals.

Be good or burn in hell. How much more threatening do you have to get? Every religion also uses fear as a means of maintaining its people. "The devil is trying to deceive you if you question your beliefs, rely on faith".

To begin to question means that you are seeking answers and religion doesn't want you to do that so they throw up roadblocks to scare you back in line. On the surface people dismiss that they are afraid because they choose to simply ignore that which contradicts their beliefs (thus why an ignorance of evolution is so widespread) but the underlying foundation of that is the fear of being convinced that what you believe is wrong.

It's like standing on one side of an issue su...

Be good or burn in hell. How much more threatening do you have to get? Every religion also uses fear as a means of maintaining its people. "The devil is trying to deceive you if you question your beliefs, rely on faith".

To begin to question means that you are seeking answers and religion doesn't want you to do that so they throw up roadblocks to scare you back in line. On the surface people dismiss that they are afraid because they choose to simply ignore that which contradicts their beliefs (thus why an ignorance of evolution is so widespread) but the underlying foundation of that is the fear of being convinced that what you believe is wrong.

It's like standing on one side of an issue such as eating a new food. There is an inherent fear of the unknown that will make people resist trying it - even when you tell them they may like it and even if they have the experience of trying something new in the past and liking it there is still always that fear on every occasion that they face risking their beliefs.

Genesis 22:12 "Do not lay a hand on the boy," he said. "Do not do anything to him. Now I know that you fear God, because you have not withheld from me your son, your only son." - A good believer fears god

Exodus 1:21 And because the midwives feared God, he gave them families of their own. - if you fear god properly you will be rewarded

Exodus 14:31 And when the Israelites saw the great power the Lord displayed against the Egyptians, the people feared the Lord and put their trust in him and in Moses his servant. - once you are scared to death then you are ready to take a new master

Exodus 20:18 When the people saw the thunder and lightning and hear...

Genesis 22:12 "Do not lay a hand on the boy," he said. "Do not do anything to him. Now I know that you fear God, because you have not withheld from me your son, your only son." - A good believer fears god

Exodus 1:21 And because the midwives feared God, he gave them families of their own. - if you fear god properly you will be rewarded

Exodus 14:31 And when the Israelites saw the great power the Lord displayed against the Egyptians, the people feared the Lord and put their trust in him and in Moses his servant. - once you are scared to death then you are ready to take a new master

Exodus 20:18 When the people saw the thunder and lightning and heard the trumpet and saw the mountain in smoke, they trembled with fear. They stayed at a distance and said to Moses, "Speak to us yourself and we will listen. But do not have God speak to us or we will die." - fear opens minds to a new master

Exodus 20:20 Moses said to the people, "Do not be afraid. God has come to test you, so that the fear of God will be with you to keep you from sinning." - Biblical contradiction : don't be afraid to live in fear

Leviticus 19:14 "'Do not curse the deaf or put a stumbling block in front of the blind, but fear your God. I am the Lord. - nothing like the threat of your god hanging over you to make sure you are a nice person

Leviticus 25:17 Do not take advantage of each other, but fear your God. I am the Lord your God. - More of that good old fashioned godly threatening if you are bad.

Deuteronomy 5:29 Oh, that their hearts would be inclined to fear me and keep all my commands always, so that it might go well with them and their children forever! - if you don't fear god now he'll get your kids in the future!

Deuteronomy 6:13 Fear the Lord your God, serve him only and take your oaths in his name. - Can't prove the point any clearer than that

The most common phrase - "Fear god"

New Testament admonishments about fearing god:

Lk 5:26
Lk 7:16
Lk 23:40
Ac 13:16
2Co 7:1
Eph 5:21
Heb 11:7
Heb 12:28
1Pe 2:17
Rev 14:7
Rev 19:5

Sorry, to add the captions kept extending past the 2000 characters limit. So here are just a few:

KJV
Rev 14:7
An angel preaches the gospel
7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
---
KJV
1Pe 2:17
and to be obedient to civil authority
17 Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king.
---
Heb 12:28
We must persevere in our purpose
28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be mo...

New Testament admonishments about fearing god:

Lk 5:26
Lk 7:16
Lk 23:40
Ac 13:16
2Co 7:1
Eph 5:21
Heb 11:7
Heb 12:28
1Pe 2:17
Rev 14:7
Rev 19:5

Sorry, to add the captions kept extending past the 2000 characters limit. So here are just a few:

KJV
Rev 14:7
An angel preaches the gospel
7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
---
KJV
1Pe 2:17
and to be obedient to civil authority
17 Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king.
---
Heb 12:28
We must persevere in our purpose
28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
---
Eph 5:21
to flee fornication
21 Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.
---
2Co 7:1
Paul exhorts the Corinthians to purity of life
1 Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.
---

And so forth. Now that that's out of the way... what difference does it make whether Old or New Testament? Is it not the same god?

PS: if FEAR means "morally reverent" then what would be the word for "fear"?

I'd have done NT but ran out of characters (I had A LOT of OT references) but thought that the point would be made ... of course that point just flashed right over some people's heads <cough ... jay ... cough>

Christianity IS a fear based religion and anyone trying to deny it can rightfully be ignored. It's, again, one of those pesky bible problems where believers will defend to their death what the bible says, until it contradicts their delusion and then suddenly they scramble to redefine or reinterpret what is being said and claim that THAT part of the bible doesn't mean what it actually says - completely glossing over the arbitrary way in which they cherry pick which parts of the bible m...

I'd have done NT but ran out of characters (I had A LOT of OT references) but thought that the point would be made ... of course that point just flashed right over some people's heads <cough ... jay ... cough>

Christianity IS a fear based religion and anyone trying to deny it can rightfully be ignored. It's, again, one of those pesky bible problems where believers will defend to their death what the bible says, until it contradicts their delusion and then suddenly they scramble to redefine or reinterpret what is being said and claim that THAT part of the bible doesn't mean what it actually says - completely glossing over the arbitrary way in which they cherry pick which parts of the bible means what it says and which parts don't really mean what it says.

This goes back to the fact that the bible is the foundation of all knowledge and information people have on the various Judaic religions and that very foundation is about as sturdy as fine dry grains of sand in earthquake country.

And as usual, Aces nailed it on the head - they argue one god but treat jesus and god as distinct seperate entities - certainly not a monotheistic religion ...

Lolli, you're the one that questioned the concept of fear's foundation in Christianity. The reason religion is brought up is because the clip itself discusses the required fear needed to run the Christian religion.

As for the ranting and the judgementalism, its a common rant of Christians to deny that theirs is a fear based system, as we've seen done here by clipontie, you, jay, and willhelm.

Perhaps a refresher of some of the more judgemental portions?

clip-on-tie said:

That you are, in fact, a left-wing fringe lunatic

jay8 said:

True Christianity might shock some folks

jay8 said:

blanking out their minds to believe there is a God.

willhelm said:

The most rep...

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Lolli, you're the one that questioned the concept of fear's foundation in Christianity. The reason religion is brought up is because the clip itself discusses the required fear needed to run the Christian religion.

As for the ranting and the judgementalism, its a common rant of Christians to deny that theirs is a fear based system, as we've seen done here by clipontie, you, jay, and willhelm.

Perhaps a refresher of some of the more judgemental portions?

clip-on-tie said:

That you are, in fact, a left-wing fringe lunatic

jay8 said:

True Christianity might shock some folks

jay8 said:

blanking out their minds to believe there is a God.

willhelm said:

The most repeated phrase in the Bible: "FEAR NOT"

jay said:

the ones that should be doing the fearing, aren't.

lollipop said:

Guess you just like to argue.

Judgement and ranting through and through.

a few with exact phrase
Genesis 15:1, Genesis 21:17, Genesis 26:24, Genesis 46:3, Exodus 20:20, Deuteronomy 1:21, Deuteronomy 20:3, Deuteronomy 31:6, Deuteronomy 31:8, Joshua 8:1, Joshua 10:25, Judges 6:10, Ruth 3:1, I Kings 17:13, II Kings 6:16, I Chronicles 28:20, II Chronicles 20:17, Isaiah 35:4, Isaiah 41:13, Isaiah 41:14, Isaiah 43:1, Isaiah 43:5, Isaiah 44:2 , Isaiah 54:4, Jeremiah 46:27, Daniel 10:12, Daniel 10:19, Joel 2:21, Zechariah 8:13, Matthew 1:20, Matthew 10:28[b]...

a few with exact phrase
Genesis 15:1, Genesis 21:17, Genesis 26:24, Genesis 46:3, Exodus 20:20, Deuteronomy 1:21, Deuteronomy 20:3, Deuteronomy 31:6, Deuteronomy 31:8, Joshua 8:1, Joshua 10:25, Judges 6:10, Ruth 3:1, I Kings 17:13, II Kings 6:16, I Chronicles 28:20, II Chronicles 20:17, Isaiah 35:4, Isaiah 41:13, Isaiah 41:14, Isaiah 43:1, Isaiah 43:5, Isaiah 44:2 , Isaiah 54:4, Jeremiah 46:27, Daniel 10:12, Daniel 10:19, Joel 2:21, Zechariah 8:13, Matthew 1:20, Matthew 10:28, Luke 1:13 , Luke 2:10, Luke 5:10, Luke 8:50, Luke 12:7, Luke 12:32, John 12:15 Acts 27:24, Revelation 1:17

That's over 40. There are more which have the same meaning, but do not use the exact phrase fear not.

See, the thing here that reveals you for the buffoon you are willy, is that NOW you claim we should be using the original Greek language. This fails on a few levels.

The first is that you made your idiot comment with a reference to the english language and when that failed you tried to redefine the terms you used and then tried to get semantical.

The second is that the VAST MAJORITY of believers do not read Greek and they get their delusions from the English language bibles (however many versions they are) so your attempt to say "it needs to be done in the original language to understand it!" falls flat. Based on that lame statement alone, should we choose to follow you down the rabbit hol...

See, the thing here that reveals you for the buffoon you are willy, is that NOW you claim we should be using the original Greek language. This fails on a few levels.

The first is that you made your idiot comment with a reference to the english language and when that failed you tried to redefine the terms you used and then tried to get semantical.

The second is that the VAST MAJORITY of believers do not read Greek and they get their delusions from the English language bibles (however many versions they are) so your attempt to say "it needs to be done in the original language to understand it!" falls flat. Based on that lame statement alone, should we choose to follow you down the rabbit hole, we could summarily wipe all Christian beliefs that exist today because not one of them rely on the pure Greek language to find inspiration, but upon the English language. In effect you just admitted that the entirety of American Christianity is bullshit.

Thanks for playing.

Oh yes. It is tough to get over your head...

Readers, this is what oortcoud believes passes as evidence for AGW..

His (Richard Lindzen) most recent Wall Street Journal editorial, for example, includes admissions that the Earth has warmed over the last century, that humans are influencing the climate, that CO2 is a greenhouse gas and that its levels continue to rise.

He states the ideas everyone agrees on and acts as though Lindzen believing it is a bombshell, and in the process reveals he is a supreme idiot and knows absolutely zero on the issue of AGW. Yu should see his attempt to provide names of those who agree with AGW....None of them did mind you. He even had the audacity...

Oh yes. It is tough to get over your head...

Readers, this is what oortcoud believes passes as evidence for AGW..

His (Richard Lindzen) most recent Wall Street Journal editorial, for example, includes admissions that the Earth has warmed over the last century, that humans are influencing the climate, that CO2 is a greenhouse gas and that its levels continue to rise.

He states the ideas everyone agrees on and acts as though Lindzen believing it is a bombshell, and in the process reveals he is a supreme idiot and knows absolutely zero on the issue of AGW. Yu should see his attempt to provide names of those who agree with AGW....None of them did mind you. He even had the audacity to include Lindzen on that list, one of the most outspoken critics of AGW. Now, in light of this fact, don't his references to Alice in Wonderland make sense?

jay8h said:

By analogy to be in awe of, that is, revere: - be (+ sore) afraid, fear (exceedingly), reverence.

ljgriffin said:

He also said investigate tense. Does that establish whether the usage refers to fear or reverence or awe?

I looked up the passages already, and stated:

"Some of these refer to fearing not "other things" and some refer to fearing not the lord."

Fearing the lord, in awe of the lord -- let's accept it either way.

Thus, when Willy says "The most repeated phrase in the Bible: "FEAR NOT"" You have the same problem no matter what it means!

The most repeated phrase in the bible now becomes "do NOT be in awe of the lord."

So do we take fear...

jay8h said:

By analogy to be in awe of, that is, revere: - be (+ sore) afraid, fear (exceedingly), reverence.

ljgriffin said:

He also said investigate tense. Does that establish whether the usage refers to fear or reverence or awe?

I looked up the passages already, and stated:

"Some of these refer to fearing not "other things" and some refer to fearing not the lord."

Fearing the lord, in awe of the lord -- let's accept it either way.

Thus, when Willy says "The most repeated phrase in the Bible: "FEAR NOT"" You have the same problem no matter what it means!

The most repeated phrase in the bible now becomes "do NOT be in awe of the lord."

So do we take fear to mean "awe" or do we take fear to mean "fear?" Either way, if Willy is right (about the "fear not") then we still have contradictions all over the place.

In dozens of places we have the bible telling us fear not the lord, and dozens of places saying the opposite no matter which definition you use!

When a source contradicts itself dozens of times on the same thing, what does that tell you?

If you picked up a newspaper and a story in it contradicted itself dozens of times, would you believe it came from a credible source?

[Something tells me you would if you were brought up to believe it was the word of a god! THAT'S what rational people are dealing with when talking to believers of the myth. No evidence or reason or fact is going to change a mind hypnotized with fear. And there we are --- back to the title.]

But it wasn't fear that brought me to the Lord, it was love. His love.

This is truly funny. Here's this being that promises eternal torture if you DON'T love him... and you say "but it wasn't fear" ... "it was love!"

Clearly you'd worship the devil if he told you the same thing because a being that would torture another for eternity ( and based on a belief, at that ) is no different than one, and such a being could hardly be the example of fairness or justice or love, or just plain decency.

Yeah, such a being seems so cuddly and lovable. And I'm sure the threat of his torture chamber keeps your love genuine and warm.

Unfortunately it speaks more about the character of t...

But it wasn't fear that brought me to the Lord, it was love. His love.

This is truly funny. Here's this being that promises eternal torture if you DON'T love him... and you say "but it wasn't fear" ... "it was love!"

Clearly you'd worship the devil if he told you the same thing because a being that would torture another for eternity ( and based on a belief, at that ) is no different than one, and such a being could hardly be the example of fairness or justice or love, or just plain decency.

Yeah, such a being seems so cuddly and lovable. And I'm sure the threat of his torture chamber keeps your love genuine and warm.

Unfortunately it speaks more about the character of the person than the person's delusion. You are simply afraid and will worship whoever promises not to hurt you.

But it's not your fault. You have been taught, and you believe, that you were created for the purpose of serving another.

Too bad. Turns out to be nothing more than other humans exercising their control over others for fun, profit, and power.

So
do we take fear to mean "awe" or do we take fear to mean "fear?" Either
way, if Willy is right (about the "fear not") then we still have
contradictions all over the place.
In dozens of places we have
the bible telling us fear not the lord, and dozens of places saying the
opposite no matter which definition you use!

There are zero contradictions. The context, modifiers and greek language are clear.

This is the typical logic we get from the the biggest clipmarks idiots, Oortcloud and Socratoad ( I know the quote is from AL, but sometimes his logic is well placed, just not in this case):

Here is the logic they want you to believe as it pertains to language, greek language....

So
do we take fear to mean "awe" or do we take fear to mean "fear?" Either
way, if Willy is right (about the "fear not") then we still have
contradictions all over the place.
In dozens of places we have
the bible telling us fear not the lord, and dozens of places saying the
opposite no matter which definition you use!

There are zero contradictions. The context, modifiers and greek language are clear.

This is the typical logic we get from the the biggest clipmarks idiots, Oortcloud and Socratoad ( I know the quote is from AL, but sometimes his logic is well placed, just not in this case):

Here is the logic they want you to believe as it pertains to language, greek language....

Nothing is heavier than lead
A feather is heavier than nothing
Therefore, a feather is heavier than lead

They MIGHT be able to see the idiocy of that because they speak English. I would not count on them seeing their idiocy as it pertains to Greek.

For goodness sake, they barely have the English language down!

"...anyone reading this clip with the slightest hint of intellect could easily see the points of translational misrepresentaition ( or translational ignorance) which exists in the minds of the ignorant."

If that were true there would be just one denomination, because they'd all have agreed to use the Greek translation, like you.

But of course they must ALL have "translational ignorance" without the "slightest hint of intellect" because in fact there are over a thousand different denominations of Christianity right here in the states.

And so this begs the question: Are you an idiot savant? Because you have been so wrong so often it defies mathematical probability!

Your gi...

"...anyone reading this clip with the slightest hint of intellect could easily see the points of translational misrepresentaition ( or translational ignorance) which exists in the minds of the ignorant."

If that were true there would be just one denomination, because they'd all have agreed to use the Greek translation, like you.

But of course they must ALL have "translational ignorance" without the "slightest hint of intellect" because in fact there are over a thousand different denominations of Christianity right here in the states.

And so this begs the question: Are you an idiot savant? Because you have been so wrong so often it defies mathematical probability!

Your gift of being wrong is so profound... it must be a miracle. I'm almost willing to admit "god did it." It must be true because there's no other explanation.

Oort, you're living in denial, and have made if abundantly clear that you haven't given an ounce of critical thought to the situation. You have made an assumption, and stuck to it no matter what. That's the behaviour of a religious fundamentalist. You can deny it until you're blue in the face, but the plain and simple fact that you've clearly shown everyone here is that you haven't given a second thought to your stand whatsoever.

My belief system changes daily, as I learn more stuff, as I ponder concepts from different perspectives, but you have one and only one perspective of the situation and you cling to your deluded option like a dog worrying a bone.

Come back and try again when you're...

Oort, you're living in denial, and have made if abundantly clear that you haven't given an ounce of critical thought to the situation. You have made an assumption, and stuck to it no matter what. That's the behaviour of a religious fundamentalist. You can deny it until you're blue in the face, but the plain and simple fact that you've clearly shown everyone here is that you haven't given a second thought to your stand whatsoever.

My belief system changes daily, as I learn more stuff, as I ponder concepts from different perspectives, but you have one and only one perspective of the situation and you cling to your deluded option like a dog worrying a bone.

Come back and try again when you're willing to give critical thought to the situation, instead of just trumpeting your assumptions over and over again.

Wait, what!

Christianity is NOT a religion? Since when?

Don't do it, ratilfar, it's a rabbit hole from which you may not recover. I've spent hours citing fact after fact, with demonstrable reason and logic, and I tell you here and now FACTS MEAN NOTHING to those who need to believe.

They even make up their own definitions, completely opposite real world understanding, and think nothing is wrong. Truly, they think the world of their delusion is the real world, and the external world of reality is to be ignored. They are hypnotized by mythology and think it's real.

(But if you ask for a demonstration of their, or their god's, magical powers, they will ALWAYS ...

Wait, what!

Christianity is NOT a religion? Since when?

Don't do it, ratilfar, it's a rabbit hole from which you may not recover. I've spent hours citing fact after fact, with demonstrable reason and logic, and I tell you here and now FACTS MEAN NOTHING to those who need to believe.

They even make up their own definitions, completely opposite real world understanding, and think nothing is wrong. Truly, they think the world of their delusion is the real world, and the external world of reality is to be ignored. They are hypnotized by mythology and think it's real.

(But if you ask for a demonstration of their, or their god's, magical powers, they will ALWAYS give an excuse!)

You can't convince irrationality with reason.

And yet, you try to overcome reason with pre-conceived notions. Sorry, but Aces and Oort, you're responses are stereotypical closed-mindedness. You're just showing that you're not willing to devote any real thought to the issue, but rather just parrot the ideas presented by others in their denial.

Oort, you can deny it all you want, but you are rabidly trying to sell your Atheistic beliefs on other people; that makes you an evangelist, and thus, makes you religious. It takes a religion to come up with such closed-minded and absolutist statements.

"There is no God"

"I don't have a religion"

If you were truly open-minded and reasonable, those statements would be "I don't believe there is...

And yet, you try to overcome reason with pre-conceived notions. Sorry, but Aces and Oort, you're responses are stereotypical closed-mindedness. You're just showing that you're not willing to devote any real thought to the issue, but rather just parrot the ideas presented by others in their denial.

Oort, you can deny it all you want, but you are rabidly trying to sell your Atheistic beliefs on other people; that makes you an evangelist, and thus, makes you religious. It takes a religion to come up with such closed-minded and absolutist statements.

"There is no God"

"I don't have a religion"

If you were truly open-minded and reasonable, those statements would be "I don't believe there is a God" and "I don't think I have a religion". But you're just like any other religious nut; you've made up your minds, and you're unwilling to open yourself to new ideas. You're hidebound, stubborn and pig-headed — all the hallmarks of a religious person.

Ratilfar, Christianity is a philosophy and lifestyle that was usurped by the Catholic Church, and later split into 3 main branches; Catholicism, Anglicanism and Protestantism. While all three of those religions claim the "Christian" label, not one of them actually teaches true pre-Constantinian Christianity. The so-called "Christian" religions are nothing more than Satan's greatest coup against Christianity; taking it and mixing it with humanistic ideas and dogma, diluting out the true message of Jesus in favour of hateful and judgmental ideas of intolerance against "sinners", rather than the love and acceptance that Jesus taught. Jesus embraced the outcasts and "sinners" of his time; that i...

Ratilfar, Christianity is a philosophy and lifestyle that was usurped by the Catholic Church, and later split into 3 main branches; Catholicism, Anglicanism and Protestantism. While all three of those religions claim the "Christian" label, not one of them actually teaches true pre-Constantinian Christianity. The so-called "Christian" religions are nothing more than Satan's greatest coup against Christianity; taking it and mixing it with humanistic ideas and dogma, diluting out the true message of Jesus in favour of hateful and judgmental ideas of intolerance against "sinners", rather than the love and acceptance that Jesus taught. Jesus embraced the outcasts and "sinners" of his time; that is a basic tenet of Christianity. How many "Christian" religions as a whole (not individual churches) truly show open and full acceptance of everyone, regardless of their ideas and actions?

Not one. That is why Christianity is not a religion.

I don't think I have a religion

WTF does that mean?

Religion, as defined by Princeton WordNet Search:

A: a strong belief in a supernatural power or powers that control human destiny
B: an institution to express belief in a divine power

Nowhere there, or any other place I looked does it mention

A: a strong belief in a supernatural power or powers that control human destiny which I unconsciously ignore throughout my waking hours each and every day but otherwise hold as a basic tenet of my life
B: an institution to express belief in a divine power which I only attend as a sleepwalking participant and have never awakened to in process

I suppose that this is not...

I don't think I have a religion

WTF does that mean?

Religion, as defined by Princeton WordNet Search:

A: a strong belief in a supernatural power or powers that control human destiny
B: an institution to express belief in a divine power

Nowhere there, or any other place I looked does it mention

A: a strong belief in a supernatural power or powers that control human destiny which I unconsciously ignore throughout my waking hours each and every day but otherwise hold as a basic tenet of my life
B: an institution to express belief in a divine power which I only attend as a sleepwalking participant and have never awakened to in process

I suppose that this is not inconsistent with a religious believer’s stance, given their proven inability to understand rationality as it presents itself to them each and every day, and their belief that they should adhere to dogma taught to them beyond their own self-understanding.

That quoted statement is among the absolute silliest things I have ever read.

If you were truly open-minded and reasonable

If you had any honesty, or in the very least, truthful perception, you would know that I have never, not once, ever, plainly stated that there is no god.

What I have said, over and over, is that when religions begin making claims and presenting characteristics to their god then one can begin to make rational assumptions and judgments upon the validity of said statements. If I were to describe a soaking wet dry desert the juxtaposition of two opposite characteristics reveals the oxymoron for the fluff that it is.

I disbelieve the claims that religion makes on that basis alone. There is no god based on human claims that exi...

If you were truly open-minded and reasonable

If you had any honesty, or in the very least, truthful perception, you would know that I have never, not once, ever, plainly stated that there is no god.

What I have said, over and over, is that when religions begin making claims and presenting characteristics to their god then one can begin to make rational assumptions and judgments upon the validity of said statements. If I were to describe a soaking wet dry desert the juxtaposition of two opposite characteristics reveals the oxymoron for the fluff that it is.

I disbelieve the claims that religion makes on that basis alone. There is no god based on human claims that exists. If there is an actual god people like you know as much about him as I do - which is nothing. YOU choose, however, to assign characteristics to a mythical idea of god and call it real. But they are empty assertions based on your need to believe in something.

And we know this by the very contradictions you make when you try to describe your god. If a primitive has never seen a car, heard of a car, or even ridden in a car yet creates descriptions of a car that defy rationality then it doesn't mater if a car exists or not - the claims made by that primitive are moot. He may even accidentally get some of the descriptions right (it has 4 wheels and air windows) in his guessing, but that does not mean he was ever correct in his claims of there being a car.

And if that primitive should ever actually see a car it does not validate their fervent beliefs any more than a child drawing a picture of an animal out of their imagination that turns out to be real and claiming they knew about it all along.

When you try and claim that your belief is not a religion or that those who dismiss your claims because they fail examination are religious then it only reveals your dishonesty to redefine terms through a desperation to validate your own beliefs.

As I pointed out, I've never said "god is not real". But I have said YOUR god is not real. The existence or nonexistence of a god is a moot point. Until you can prove the claims you make of god then there is no reason to accept your claim of it.

No religion on earth can do that. They all fail examination. Trying to step outside of that bubble and claim that your belief is not religious is ridiculous. Trying to redefine yourself as not religious does not relieve you from the same burden of proof. Trying to redefine the terms only shows that you are both dishonest and desperate to escape rationality. Defining those that don't believe your mythological claims as the religious ones comes down t...

As I pointed out, I've never said "god is not real". But I have said YOUR god is not real. The existence or nonexistence of a god is a moot point. Until you can prove the claims you make of god then there is no reason to accept your claim of it.

No religion on earth can do that. They all fail examination. Trying to step outside of that bubble and claim that your belief is not religious is ridiculous. Trying to redefine yourself as not religious does not relieve you from the same burden of proof. Trying to redefine the terms only shows that you are both dishonest and desperate to escape rationality. Defining those that don't believe your mythological claims as the religious ones comes down to you being completely delusional and intellectually dishonest.

My perceptions are truthful, honest, and unlike yours, Oort, open. You've proven yourself to be utterly closed-minded, with the willingness to question your beliefs equatable to a brick. Until you can prove that God does not exist beyond a shadow of a doubt, you are operated on pure belief. You've deluded yourself into thinking it's non-belief, but it's as much a belief system as my own. Yours is just stale, narrow-minded and pig-headed. Mine is dynamic and constantly changing as people with actual facts, instead of opinions, present me with new views of the situation.

I didn't always reject the Creation Myth aspect of the Old Testament. I examined the writings, melded in what I knew of th...

My perceptions are truthful, honest, and unlike yours, Oort, open. You've proven yourself to be utterly closed-minded, with the willingness to question your beliefs equatable to a brick. Until you can prove that God does not exist beyond a shadow of a doubt, you are operated on pure belief. You've deluded yourself into thinking it's non-belief, but it's as much a belief system as my own. Yours is just stale, narrow-minded and pig-headed. Mine is dynamic and constantly changing as people with actual facts, instead of opinions, present me with new views of the situation.

I didn't always reject the Creation Myth aspect of the Old Testament. I examined the writings, melded in what I knew of the tenets of Christianity, and scientific knowledge, along with the perceptions of a great many people (all of whom were more open-minded, clever and logical than you, Oort) and my beliefs changed. That is just one example of how my faith is more rational, and more logical than yours.

So be happy with your preconceived notions, but stop deluding yourself. You're a man of faith, whether you admit it to yourself or not; and denial just confirms the fact. You are what you rail against — as is often the case with people — a person who harbours a belief that cannot be rationally confirmed objectively. All tests against the existence or non-existence of God can only honestly and objectively answered as being unknowable (not confirmed that God doesn't exist). Science and logic has thrown up its hands as admitted that it doesn't know, so saying that the existence of God has been disproven is dishonest and self-serving (serving your belief system, that is)

Until you can prove that God does not exist beyond a shadow of a doubt

Disprove a negative much?

Mine is dynamic and constantly changing as people with actual facts, instead of opinions, present me with new views of the situation.

It's just that when you have to lie through redefinition then it kinda takes away any sense that you are actually honest.

You really are insane. No, I'm not saying that just as a snide aside, but as an actual observation of your actions. You are incapable of recognizing reality.

You can't even recognize that your most common insult against someone is to call them what you are - religious. It's like listening to a fat child crying "N...

Until you can prove that God does not exist beyond a shadow of a doubt

Disprove a negative much?

Mine is dynamic and constantly changing as people with actual facts, instead of opinions, present me with new views of the situation.

It's just that when you have to lie through redefinition then it kinda takes away any sense that you are actually honest.

You really are insane. No, I'm not saying that just as a snide aside, but as an actual observation of your actions. You are incapable of recognizing reality.

You can't even recognize that your most common insult against someone is to call them what you are - religious. It's like listening to a fat child crying "No! I'm not fat YOU'RE FAT".

Seriously, don't you recognize the discontinuity? Well, of course you don't. You just redefine your terms so you can appease your self loathing. Either you are an open liar or insane. Or both.

So be happy with your preconceived notions

A.K.A. reality. Sure will.

You are what you rail against <snip> a person who harbours a belief that cannot be rationally confirmed objectively.

I'm looking around for Ashton Kutcher. No one can be this openly stupid and/or delustional can they?! I have to be getting punked.

saying that the existence of God has been disproven is dishonest

Sigh.

Ok, by your logic lets end this right now.

Dorkefarce. I am god. I am your creator. I am your creator and I am wroth with you for being such an imbecile. Dorkefarce, I want you to wake up each day and smack yourself across the face and tell yourself "I, Dorkefarce am a dumbass. I don't know what logic or reason is and what little I do know I abuse to my own twisted delusion. I will no longer do this"

Now. Prove I am not god. Until you do, then I am god. By your own twisted and sick logic.

And hug and kiss willhelm because intellectually he is your brother.