 Eaglewings says: Thoughtful scientists ponder questions such as these and arrive at their hypotheses and then experiment to prove or disprove those hypotheses. Therefore I am calling on all evolutionists to ponder these points of fact and offer us some answers. Care to tackle this experiment? 1. Evolution doesn't say at all that something comes from nothing. You clearly have such a grave and broad misunderstanding if not blatant ignorance toward the topic that I'd almost not continue if not for the unfortunate fear that someone may actually view this post and believe your propaganda B.S. 2. The origins of the universe and matter itself have nothing to do with evolution, but a physicist would easily explain ten different ways matter could have come about (ie- reversal of entropy through catastrophic implosion and fusion; white holes; etc.- and of course you've heard of the multiverse) 3. The second law of thermodynamics doesn't say "matter is not eternal" or anything like it. O... 4. How can something non-living produce a living creature? Answer: Gradually. What makes us "us"? DNA. What makes DNA "dna"? Proteins. What makes proteins "proteins"? Molecules. What makes molecules "molecules"? Atoms. What makes atoms "Atoms"? Subatomic particles, such as electrons. What makes electrons "electrons"? Quarks. What makes quarks "quarks"? Strings. (Not like yarn....) Everything comes to be through something smaller coming together in a certain way. Some things come together through random chance, and sometimes that random chance lets them form more of themself. Or survive in their current state longer, so they can gain more coplexity. If a few eminopeptides come together and fo... 6. Again: Gradually. It didn't just POP into existence it very slowly came of smaller, less complex, less suitable organisms or formations of matter that when they mutated, reformed, or had another protein added onto them through random damn chance, they became more suited to their environment and were able to survive longer. If you understood a single thing about evolution you would fully understand this, I'm sure. 7. So somebody from Germany in the early 1800/1900s came up with a theory that turned out to be wrong.................. (See: Stem Cells) How exactly does that prove evolution wrong again? If you'd like to actually learn about evolution or hear the rebuttals to the questions... (The multiple posts were because my post was too long or one post) - Also if you'd like to see an ACTUAL experiment about christianity, please view my clips - I think it's the first or second one. Made it myself. What makes quarks "quarks"? Strings. (Not like yarn....)Where did the strings come from? Better yet where did the puddle from which the ooze came from come from? Or for that matter where did the original heavens come from? Where did the universe in which this stuff started come from? Before it was what was it? If there was a big bang where did the compustibles come from to cause the big bang? Who or what started the evolution process? Where did the "OOZE" come from? JESUS LOVES ME THIS I KNOW FOR THE BIBLE TELLS MEAt least this is a factual statement. Jesus does love me and you for that matter because the bible does say so. Thanks for playing but you did not answer the questions. You attempted and it was a noble try. As far as the comment about my faith in God who created the heavens and earth, it actually takes less faith to believe that than it does to believe in evolution. Now if you are talking about organizism adaptation well then we agree 100%. 60 trillion years, it's safe to say that a few of those proteins might bump into eachother, latch on to eachother, maybe their properties change, maybe they develope a protein coating, maybe a few strands of DNA cause more protein to grow, maybe it shoots protein out its' back side for locomotion, a lot can happen in 60 billion years.Well now I learned something new. The earth is now 60 trillion years old. WOW! Do you mean to tell me it is going to take another 60 trilllion years to prove that we are actually evolving? WOW no wonder no one can prove or disprove evolution no one is going to live long enough to actually prove it. Thanks for the lesson. No experiment has ever shown that life cannot form on its' own. That experiment could not possibly ever be done.Thusly you proved the point. Something can not be created from nothing. Therefore the hypothesis set forth that life came from nothing is not valid scientific experiementation but it is a nice THEORY. Therefore because it is theory I do not have to believe it because it is just a THEORY. CAN not be proven by science or logic or anyother method. Therefore I think it is safe to say that you have to have something to start the evolution process with. AGAIN where did that SOMETHING COME FROM? Now that I think about it where is that SOMETHING GOING? thermodynamics implies that after the initial 'startup' of the universeTell me again how the universe initially got started? The answer to all the questions is BOB. Beyond Our Breadth "Where did the strings come from? " Science hasn't told us yet, but we're working on figuring that out. That's the thing about science versus religion. Science involves questioning your answers. Religion is more about unquestionable answers. As I said though, there are several explanations for the origins of matter in the universe. Try actually reading the entire post. "At least this is a factual statement. Jesus does love me and you for that matter because the bible does say so. " We've just left the realm of science, and I do nto care to comment or speculate on religion, but thank you for saying he loves me. I appreciate your beliefs but do not share them. "Thanks for playing but you... "it actually takes less faith to believe that than it does to believe in evolution." Ok, let's compare. I have fossils that show me that evolution exists. I have a lot more, but we'll go one to one here. I have fossils. What have you got that shows, scientifically, without any of this anicdotal nonscientific B.S. that god did it. "Well now I learned something new. The earth is now 60 trillion years old. WOW!" Clearly, I was jokingly exaggerating. "Do you mean to tell me it is going to take another 60 trilllion years to prove that we are actually evolving? " No, that's been shown over and over already. Remember cavemen? Their skulls, for one thing, were remarkably different than ours. ... I didn't say it could. Evolution doesn't say it could. Physics doesn't say it could. But even if it did, and physics and evolution were wrong, it still wouldn't show one signle itty bitty little spec of evidence for your imaginary friend, god. "Therefore the hypothesis set forth that life came from nothing is not valid scientific experiementation but it is a nice THEORY." There is no credible scientific theory in the world that life came from nothing. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Evolution claims nothing of the sort I beg you to please please educate yourself before you rebut to this post. You're making yourself look blatantly ignorant. As for your capitalization... So you think creationism is fact? Do you not believe in gravity? Do you not believe in DNA? The entire idea of DNA is a theory. it's the theory of DNA. How about atomic theory? "Therefore I think it is safe to say that you have to have something to start the evolution process with. " Yes, a very common thing called matter. "AGAIN where did that SOMETHING COME FROM? Now that I think about it where is that SOMETHING GOING?" From any of the places I listed in my previous post. And where's it going? In your case, certainly not to school. "Tell me again how the universe initially got started?" For the third time, I already did. And I have my own challenge for you. Give me one single reason to believe in your god, as opposed to the flying spaghetti monster. If you can show your god is a better candidate for belief than the flying spaghetti monster is, I'll bow down and worship. But for the love of ramen, please don't quote science you don't understand. it makes me want to vomit. "Therefore I think it is safe to say that you have to have something to start the evolution process with. "Okay on that we agree evolution has to start with something. Where did that something come from. You did not answer you pointed me to others who you say gave an answer I have not had the time to look yet but it still does not matter in this discussion. If evolution starts with matter and evolves into different matter than please explain for us unlearned folk how one form of matter transmutes into another form of matter or like I asked before tell he how a fly becomes a horse and why are we not seeing transmutations taking place in matter today? I mean changing from one s... Give me one single reason to believe in your god, as opposed to the flying spaghetti monster. If you can show your god is a better candidate for belief than the flying spaghetti monster is, I'll bow down and worship.No you won't even if someone came back from the dead you still will not believe. That is the proof, someone actually came back from the dead. And where's it going? In your case, certainly not to school.Again we have a point of agreement. I too believe that matter is growing more and more ignorant and base as it evolves or better devolves if that is even a word. Ok, let's compare. I have fossils that show me that evolution exists. I have a lot more, but we'll go one to one here. I have fossils. What have you got that shows, scientifically, without any of this anicdotal nonscientific B.S. that god did it.I have fossils and JESUS! that is two. Science involves questioning your answers. Religion is more about unquestionable answers.Nope this is not a true statement. Both science and religion require faith. My faith just happens to include a faith in a creator of all things your faith excludes the creator of all things, but they are both based on faith in some outcome. Anyone who does not question all things is not a learned person but a fool. And a fool says in his heart there is no God. I once was foolish to think that there was no God but now I have learned through experimentation that there is a God. What started out as faith has been proven in my life to be true. In other words I tested the theory and experimen... But for the love of ramen, please don't quote science you don't understand. it makes me want to vomit.And your attempts to quote faith for which you do not understand makes me just as ill but not because I think you are stupid but because I am saddened because in all your learning you failed to grasp the greatest truth ever that Jesus loves you. ok, you're spewing the same BS propaganda over and over again, regardless of how many times i rebut. If you'd like to actually have a real scientific discussion, let me know. I think it's sufficient that anyone who isn't ignorant will see this topic and know you're a fool. faithtard. just one thing I had to reply to - science doesn't require faith. that's the dumbest thing i've ever heard and a steady last ditch effort for christians too dumb to study actual evidence. Faith is believing something for no good reason. Science is something that has been demonstrated and shown to be true, and it testable under multiple circumstances or control. the two are completely separate, almost direct opposites. by the way, grats on your one pop. faithtard. science doesn't require faith.I see. Okay let me follow your learned explainations. Evolution does not know how matter came to be. Evolution can not answer how a pile of dirt becomes a living thing. Evolution can not explain how a frog became a Falcon. Evolution can not explain why after all this time of testing and searching there is no evidence to support that one species of beings evolved into an entirely different species of being. Evolution does put forth a good arguement that species adapt to their environment but it does not have a clue as to how that environment came to be. Okay it does not require any faith to believe in that science I will have to admit that it also... I think it's sufficient that anyone who isn't ignorant will see this topic and know you're a fool.Surely it takes one to know one. I do not believe I have put forth stupid and foolish questions. You however have put forth some silly theories to try to rebut some sound questions. And now you turn to name calling because you ran out of thoughtful rebuttals. "Evolution does not know how matter came to be. Evolution can not answer how a pile of dirt becomes a living thing. " evolution deals with how things change after they became alive. PLEASE educate yourself before you make any more arguments on the subject, this is just ridiculous. "Surely it takes one to know one. " What are you, 8? "I do not believe I have put forth stupid and foolish questions." That's what makes you a fool. "You however have put forth some silly theories to try to rebut some sound questions. " Again, a fool. I'm done on this topic until you educate yourself. I'd be glad to respond to any rational arguments you may have. LOL, thanks for the entertainment you two! Final comment: "I too believe that matter is growing more and more ignorant and base as it evolves or better devolves if that is even a word." That made absolutely no sense, much like your other responses. Evolution – The Evidence of Why Scientists Believe in Evolution Evolution, in this context, can be defined as: the belief that all living things, including man, resulted by natural changes from lifeless matter, with no supernatural intervention involved. If life on earth really came to be in this manner, by chance and from lifeless matter, then why are there so many intelligent people -- even PhD scientists -- who reject the theory? Is this the definition of Evolution we are working with lord? If it is then I am not the only intellect questioning the theory because other far more learned men then myself are also. But I guess we are all fools Darwin did not claim that evolution existed apart from a creator. However in its current form I believe the previously cited definition is the current basis for evolutionary thought. YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT DARWIN OR WHAT HE BELIEVED. YOU ARE WRONG. I'M SICK OF CORRECTING YOU BECAUSE ALL YOU DO IS MAKE SHIT UP. YOU ARE WRONG. DO SOME ACTUAL DAMN RESEARCH. F**K SAKE! Evolution and the Fossil Record In the years after Darwin, his advocates hoped to find predictable progressions… these have not been found -- yet the optimism has died hard, and some pure fantasy has crept into textbooks.So, what would Darwin say today? Now, after over 120 years of the most extensive and painstaking geological exploration of every continent and ocean bottom, the picture is infinitely more vivid and complete than it was in 1859. Formations have been discovered containing hundreds of billions of fossils and our museums are filled with over 100 million fossils of 250,000 different species. LOL Stop quoting christian resources on evolution..... THEY'RE WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FOR GOD'S SAKE DO SOME ACTUAL RESEARCH YOU MORON! NO INTERMEDIARY FORMS!? NO INTERMEDIARY FORMS!?!@?!!?!$ ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!!? DID YOU EVEN READ MY PREVIOUS POSTS!?!?! http://youtube.com/watch?v=JVRsWAjvQSg http://youtube.com/watch?v=JVRsWAjvQSg http://youtube.com/watch?v=JVRsWAjvQSg http://youtube.com/watch?v=JVRsWAjvQSg http://youtube.com/watch?v=JVRsWAjvQSg http://youtube.com/watch?v=JVRsWAjvQSg http://youtube.com/watch?v=JVRsWAjvQSg http://youtube.com/watch?v=JVRsWAjvQSg http://youtube.com/watch?v=JVRsWAjvQSg http://youtube.com/watch?v=JVRsWAjvQSg http://youtube.com/watch?v=JVRsWAjvQSg http://youtube... AHHHHHHHHHHHHH YOU ARE A MORON!!!!!!!!! http://youtube.com/watch?v=JVRsWAjvQSg http://youtube.com/watch?v=JVRsWAjvQSg http://youtube.com/watch?v=JVRsWAjvQSg http://youtube.com/watch?v=JVRsWAjvQSg http://youtube.com/watch?v=JVRsWAjvQSg http://youtube.com/watch?v=JVRsWAjvQSg http://youtube.com/watch?v=JVRsWAjvQSg WATCH IT FOR NOODLE'S SAKE! STOP TAKING THE WORD OF A RELIGIOUS NUTJOB OVER ACTUAL SCIENTISTS. DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH. GOD I HATE YOU FAITHTARDS YOU MAKE EVERYONE WHO BELIEVES THE THINGS YOU BELIEVE LOOK UNCONTROLLABLY IGNORANT Maskwirl spilled pepsi in my keyboard and its getting sticky and it makes it hard to comment. "Maskwirl spilled pepsi in my keyboard and its getting sticky and it makes it hard to comment." Be glad you don't have to get involved with this insanity. This person is an absolute fool! Australopithecus afarensis, or "Lucy,"
LOL, It's beeen fun reading it tho So, what would Darwin say today? Now, after over 120 years of the most extensive and painstaking geological exploration of every continent and ocean bottom, the picture is infinitely more vivid and complete than it was in 1859. Formations have been discovered containing hundreds of billions of fossils and our museums are filled with over 100 million fossils of 250,000 different species.
listen closely eagle. YOU'RE WRONG do research to find out for yourself. don't take the word of a religious nut like yourself. those posts you're quoting are wrong, moron. An evolutionist by the name of Stanley L. Miller postulated the "Prebiotic soap" theory of the origin of life. Which is now included today's teaching of evolution. Now to whom do you address the fools comment toward? Apparently I have done some study of this subject. you can quote the title of one book that doesn't put you in a position of having more knowledge than people who have studied evolutionary biology their entire lives you fucking dolt. I'm done here. I'm unwatching this topic. If you want to watch that video and provide a logical scientific rebuttal, or any of the videos I quoted you, go right ahead, you friggin' idiot. I'm out of here. you can quote the title of one book that doesn't put you in a position of having more knowledge than people who have studied evolutionary biology their entire lives you fucking dolt. I'm done here. I'm unwatching this topic. If you want to watch that video and provide a logical scientific rebuttal, or any of the videos I quoted you, go right ahead, you friggin' idiot. I'm out of here.Now who is acting like an 8 yr old. Ah, bear with my and my sticky keyboard, God is the alpha and the omega (beginning and the end) Sinners burn in hell forever, Forever never ends. God ends thus he couldn't be omega if hell burns forever because hell never ends. If God has an end and he is the last, he must exist past forever which never ends so when is hell gonna end? I would think someone who has studied this subject their entire lives could actually put forth more of an argument then you did. What is your background in this particular science. Where have you studied? What degrees do you hold and from where? What books or publications have you written to support your position? Have you published a thesis on this topic? To what extent do you proclaim to know the mind of God? so when is hell gonna end?God is the beginning and the end therefore hell will end when God ends. Which could be an eternity or until God ends, whichever comes first. If God is the alpha, he existed before space itself. where was that? *POP* for the comments, especially skwirl's . The original post is kinda ridiculous though. Which could be an eternity or until God ends, whichever comes first.This implies that hell will last as long as God which implies that God is NOT the omega because he is tied with hell How and when did the intelligent design movement begin? Thousands of years ago, ancient Greeks and Romans considered the idea that life had been designed by some unknown force. At the same time, they wondered if life had progressed from "higher" or "lower" forms over time. Jump forward to today, and the same two questions are still at war. The intelligent design movement, unlike prior competitors to naturalism, represents a solid, clear, and compelling case for design theory. This newer approach partially explains why the intelligent design movement has endured intense scrutiny yet continued to gain support in the worldwide intellectual community.
some things never change I guess Just getting warmed up... Gods first act was 'Let there be Light' But Man has already found out that the universe existed BEFORE light was ever created. Since God created light he must have existed before it. We know light travels at a given speed and that that speed can be calculated to a distance over a period of time. Light travels a distance over a nanosecond as well as a year. Time is more powerful than light because light must exist within it. God never proclaimed to create time but he did state that he is governed by it. Alpha and omega implied a defined time frame to which God is not beyond. This is implying that God was born and will eventually die. To what extent do you proclaim to know the mind of God?And he who is the searcher of hearts has knowledge of the mind of the Spirit, because he is making prayers for the saints in agreement with the mind of God. Romans 8:27 (BBE) This implies that hell will last as long as God which implies that God is NOT the omega because he is tied with hellGod created hell. God created hell.So you are saying God created something that will last as long as he does? Doesn't that make Hell a God too? Gods first act was 'Let there be Light'No the first thing God did was CREATE the heavens and the earth And then the earth became void and covered with darkness so then God said let there be light. And he separated the light from the darkness and established time. Doesn't that make Hell a God too?To the inhabitants of hell which was created for Satan and the fallen angels might consider hell their heaven and Satan their god yes. To know the mind of God implies that one is qualified to grasp the complex nature of existence in both physical and spirital realms. Tis a bit of a hefty statement, eh? the earth became voidGod didn't create the void? God didn't create the darkness? What is so bad about voids and darkness? To know the mind of God implies that one is qualified to grasp the complex nature of existence in both physical and spirital realms. Tis a bit of a hefty statement, eh?yes it is and for man it is impossible but for God all things are possible and he has given to us HIS SPIRIT who knows the mind of God as our paraclete or teacher and guide. So it is possible to be connected to the Godhead through His Spirit. So, the earth is older than time? God didn't create the void? God didn't create the darkness? What is so bad about voids and darkness?Everything God made is good To the inhabitants of hell which was created for Satan and the fallen angelsAre the inhabitants of hell worthy to exist forever- or just as long as God does? those posts you're quoting are wrong, moron.Says who? You? And you have proven your unfallable knowledge how? yes it is and for man it is impossibleUm, doesn't impossible have a timeframe? Shouldn't you have said improbable? for God all things are possibleI must dirrect you to the word ALL. All means everthing right? So why can't God forgive his favorite angel? Lucifer will exist as long as God because hell is forever and God is the omega. Which means If hell ever ends God will die. Lord keeps saying I am wrong and yet I have quoted scientists who happen to not agree with Lord yet he has not yet proven his credentials as an authority on any subject except knowing fools for which he must have first hand knowledge. I have yet to state my position on any of this. The clip is not my words. The rebuttals are not even my words. However it is a differing opinion and any learned person is not afraid to entertain differing views. A learned person is not afraid to entertain other opinions or thoughts or ideologies. Only a close minded dogmatic dolt would dismiss differing opinions. Everything God made is goodSo God DIDN'T Make Satan or the fallen angels? Who made them? They supposedly existed before Man so we didn't make them. If Everything God Made is Good then He didn't make them, so where did they come from. They EVOLVED! So, the earth is older than time?How do you measure time? So God DIDN'T Make Satan or the fallen angels?No God did create Satan and the fallen angels. What made them fallen was their rebellion against God trying to remove Him from the creation process much like this bunch. Read this and ponder. God exists, Religion is a method to try to explain God in terms that we men can comprehend. It was created by man and therefore can only be supported by beliefs and traditions. God is much more than man can understand. fall·en Audio Help /ˈfɔlən/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[faw-luhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –verb 1. pp. of fall. –adjective 2. having dropped or come down from a higher place, from an upright position, or from a higher level, degree, amount, quality, value, number, etc. 3. on the ground; prostrate; down flat: Exhausted, the racers lay fallen by the road. 4. degraded or immoral. 5. (of a woman) having lost her chastity. 6. overthrown, destroyed, or conquered: a fallen city. 7. dead: fallen troops. DEVOLVED may be a better term. THUS FALLEN! How do you measure time?The decay of a celsium atom or some shit like that. But it is scientifically recordable. God, to me is older than time, but not like religion sees it. fallWhen the leaves die The season when hibernation begins A climate change caused by the tilt of the earths axis and its relationship to its parent star. To topple without restraint What made them fallen was their rebellion against GodSo they created evil? I thought God created everything? Who created punishment and suffering without end, oh, yeah...God. But this is Good? Maybe for God but not for satan. Who made rebellion? Is rebellion good? If God doesn't like rebellion why is it allowed to exist. Is it because he cannot or willnot end it? If he cannot, then rebellion is greater than God. If he willnot then that implies he could stop the rebellion and chose not to. If God created satan and satan was his favorite then why did he let satan rebel? Before you say Freed Choice, better think about it...I'll nail you on your expected response The clip is not my wordsI know, but your comments are. In my mind, God exists but I can't prove it. My God exists outside of the realms of science and all reality is, is the creation of God, God is bigger than reality and spirituality. There is much humankind doesn't know. We revise our thinking constantly because we find out new things. Religion is a farce that was created by people to control their societies. They use God as a symbol and make up shit to go with whatever they want to promote. We exist on a plane that is on the border between two realms. We are the universe trying to figure itself out. We are in fact, God. God is much more than man can understand.I may actually agree with you on this point. Read and ponder this if you dare. When God created everything He created them to last for an eternity. We are in fact, God.That is almost word for word what Satan said that got him sentenced to hell. Welcome to the underworld. I know I am not god half the time I am not even godlike. Lord have mercy on my poor miserable self. To what extent do you proclaim to know the mind of God? God is much more than man can understand. When God created everything He created them to last for an eternity.Really? God told you this? That is almost word for word what Satan said that got him sentenced to hell. Welcome to the underworld.Welcome to reality I know I am not god half the time I am not even godlikeYou are Godlike. You create life every second of everyday until you die (and a little while after that) If the universe is God and we are part of the universe then we are God not A God....GOD Not worshipping any Gods before him. This implies that there are other Gods. If God is the alpha and omega and he created everything then he created those gods. Since the Gods he was referring to had human traits and weaknesses they must have been created after we were. If they were Gods and God created them and they were not Man they could not have had free will because only man has free will. If they are bad then that implies God created Gods that were imperfect. Its like trying to untwist stereo wires. Ok, Heavens and the Earth This implies more than one heaven. If heaven is supposed to be the greatest thing ever created then why make more than one? Which heaven is the best one? Is there a beta heaven? Why isn't there Hells? Did he do a better job creating hell than the heavens? He got it right the first time? Why did he wait to create us till the last work day? Why did he need to rest after us. An omnipetent being shouldn't get tired so easily. I think he was playing around and we were an after thought because he was bored. Then he realized he had one more day before monday came around on the guitar and said fuckit, I will take a break. and another thing, How come he only has to work 6 days in all of existence when we have to work most of our lives? Oh yea, cause he's God. Its good to be God Woa! Lightning just came down, good thing I had a grounded rod. That a man made Nice clip and comments, Eaglewings. Clearly the materialist faithful get a little bothered when their faith is challenged. Congratulations on the 100th comment! By no means should anyone think that I am trying to deny them their own beliefs. If you are happy with your religion by all means be happy. You have nothing to prove to me. I love you anyway. Just a note to the lord. I did watch your videos and now I am even more convinced that evolution is crap. The Reason why I believe in creation. Evolutionists and their disciples admit and affirm that it is impossible to take a pile of shit and make something good out of it. By contrast Jesus and his disciples are able to take the biggest pile of shit and make something absolutely glorious from it. You choose what you want to believe in those who can't make shit not stink or a God who can take the worst piece of shit on earth and make them praise worthy. For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteou... Opps I did make one mistake evolution is able to take BS and make it appear intellectual because its disciples teach in schools. So I guess in a way evolution can make BS appear intellectual by putting it in a suit and tie and have it teach a classroom. Sorry for the over sight. | ||||||||||||
