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7-3-2007 9:47 AM
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7-3-2007 9:51 AM
cniq_cniq
There are people in need of help. Charity is one of the nobler human
motivations. The act of reaching into one’s own pockets to help a
fellow man in need is praiseworthy and laudable. Reaching into someone
else’s pocket is despicable and worthy of condemnation.
7-3-2007 10:17 AM
enbar
A right, such as a right to free speech, imposes no obligation on another.
I'd like to see some justification for this claim. Don't I have a right, say, to compensation for my work from my employer? Or a right to expect reasonable and responsible conduct from the entities with which I do business?

More generally, I suppose this clip implies a rejection the importance of the third of Roosevelt's four freedoms ("freedom from want"). Is that right?
7-3-2007 11:57 AM
cniq_cniq
Don't I have a right, say, to compensation for my work from my employer? Or a right to expect reasonable and responsible conduct from the entities with which I do business?
Not to belittle you, enbar, but your post perfectly illustrates the confusion of the term "rights" among those on the left. No "rights" are involved in your two examples. These are simple examples of legal contracts.
More generally, I suppose this clip implies a rejection the importance of the third of Roosevelt's four freedoms ("freedom from want"). Is that right?
Nope. Re-read the additional quote I pasted in my first comment for clarication. Personally, I would take it a step further -- charity is a sacred respons...
7-3-2007 11:58 AM
cniq_cniq
Hmmm.....Let's try that again.
7-3-2007 11:58 AM
cniq_cniq
Don't I have a
right, say, to compensation for my work from my employer? Or a right to
expect reasonable and responsible conduct from the entities with which
I do business?
Not
to belittle you, enbar, but your post perfectly illustrates the
confusion of the term "rights" among those on the left. No "rights"
are involved in your two examples. These are simple examples of legal
contracts.
More generally, I suppose this clip implies a rejection the importance
of the third of Roosevelt's four freedoms ("freedom from want"). Is
that right?
Nope.
Re-read the additional quote I pasted in my first comment for
clarication. Personally, I would take it a step further --...
7-3-2007 12:01 PM
cniq_cniq
Well at least the quote boxes made it into the comment. Sorry for the choppiness of the pasting.
7-3-2007 12:13 PM
enbar
There are plenty of ways to define "rights." I understand your point, but what I'm saying is that you're not being clear about precisely what definition of "right" you're using. In ordinary conversation, there's no contradiction involved in saying that I have a right to expect that someone else will fulfill his contractual obligations to me. In a technical, legal-philosophical sense, maybe this doesn't fit the definition of "right" that you're talking about, but you don't actually specify what you mean. Maybe you'd like to clarify. Anyhow, I don't think my comment reflects "confusion" so much as an awareness that words can have multiple meanings and that people need to be clear about what th...
7-3-2007 12:17 PM
enbar
Sorry, I just realized how ridiculously verbose that was. Let me put it this way. Would you agree that in a just and decent society, everyone has access to housing, health care, and adequate food?
7-3-2007 1:31 PM
papabenny
Is anyone 'cept me pigheaded enough to read articles before commenting. This discussion makes no sense after reading article. That is biggest drawback of clips. Too much context lost.
7-7-2007 12:59 PM
cniq_cniq
There are plenty of ways to define "rights." I understand your point,
but what I'm saying is that you're not being clear about precisely what
definition of "right" you're using.
While a bit crude, papabenny's comment does answer this question. Rights as spoken of in the clip are defined in the full article. I apologize to both of you, but I can only clip so much. Since I use Clipmarks as a means to bookmark articles for future reference, I have the bad habit of assuming one has read the article, and not just the clip, when commenting. Thus the confusion and the ensuing attempt to define rights.
I think the point about FDR's personal wealth is a red herring. He...
7-7-2007 1:04 PM
cniq_cniq
continued.......

My fear, however, is that most of those in favor of the current system are not as conscientious as you. Their "guilt" is soothed simply by finding someone else to deal with the problem, not with actually pitching in to help themselves.
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