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11-12-2006 4:49 PM
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arifsali says:
We can't seem to get enough of him.
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11-13-2006 1:06 PM
enbar
Yeesh. I've got plenty of him, thanks. How long before this atheist-scientist fad thing blows over? It's bad for religion and it's bad for science.
11-13-2006 6:30 PM
Fatefinder
This is the first I've heard of this guy, but I like his thinking there.
IMO, religion is just a social tool to give man something to believe in because he can't / won't / doesn't believe in himself.

You want to believe in something powerful??
Something that can Save You?
Believe in Yourself.
You can do anything as long as you believe in you.

Religion is such a joke. It should have been just a guide to living a decent life.
But like many things, man has twisted it to suit his needs.

*put's soapbox away*

Sorry if I offend anyone.
11-13-2006 6:44 PM
arifsali
religion is just a social tool to give man something to believe in because he can't / won't / doesn't believe in himself.
I don't know if I understand your point or agree with it, for me, human beings are the only creature who can understand themselves by looking outside of their mind/body. The basic fact that they can concoct a God outside (or inside) and at the same time reject the same, is a reason enough to appreciate the power of human intellect.
11-13-2006 8:06 PM
Fatefinder
Oh, don't get me wrong.
I appreciate the power of human intellect.
And hold it in the highest regards.

But I think religion was meant to be a way to live and bring people together.
As well as help man advance on a social level.

I believe most religions are based on the same principals
of wanting to have folks be kind/good to one another.
And live in peaceful existance.

And to me, that's great. But all it is, is Ideals.
A story with a moral.
And as I see it. The part where "God created man in his own image" is backwards.
It's more like, Man created god in his own image.
Because that is what man needs to believe in.
A being/power that is their Ideal of what man should / could / can be.
11-13-2006 9:01 PM
arifsali
I think you and I agree, sort of. My frame of reference when speaking religion is not organized religion, I tend to take religion as a personal affair hence I'm far away from organized part of any religion (you can probably tell, the word faith is more appropriate in this regard). As they say, kill the Buddha if you find him on the way.

The God indeed created man in his own image if you believe in humility as your prime motivation in life, otherwise, as I said somewhere earlier, I'm better off atheist.
11-13-2006 9:28 PM
arifsali
Some quotes from the book I'm reading lately (would like to record this here for reference):

Human beings are creatures that are capable of viewing the body as an "other." This is an astonishing part of our makeup. It may even be the main thing that distinguishes us from the animals (some of whom use language, toolmaking, and other faculties that we tend to regard as uniquely human). This capacity gives us tremendous advantages. It makes us far better able to suppress our immediate impulses than most (if not all) other creatures, and it in large part explains our ability to carry o...
11-13-2006 9:35 PM
arifsali
Consciousness exist in all things:

Swami Vivekananda, the Hindu sage who brought the tradition of Advaita Vedanta to the West at the end of the nineteenth century, put it this way in an 1896 lecture:

He (the Atman, or Self), the One, who vibrates more quickly than the mind, who attains more speed than the mind can ever attain, whom even the gods reach not, nor thought grasp -- He moving, everything moves. In Him all exists. He is moving; He is also immovable. He is near and He is far. He is inside everything. He is outside everything -- inter penetrating everything. Whoever sees in every being that same Atman, he never goes far from that Atman. When a man sees all life and the whole...
11-26-2006 12:36 PM
geneven
Thanks! I had never read this guy before, but I have heard of him many times. I agree with him, though in general I appreciate other aspects of religion. Personally, I'm an atheist but learn a lot from non-fundamentalist religion.
11-26-2006 5:13 PM
Ali_Muslim
I invite you to learn about Islam geneven. You are free to ask what you like.

regards
ali
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