 righthand says: "We have to get away from the idea that what happens in prisons stays in prisons. Prisons are public institutions and they must be held accountable." Alexander Busansky, executive director of the CSAAP, told the BBC the US public was largely ignorant of the real state of America's prisons. agreed The us public is largely unaware of most of what REALLY goes on. They are dumbed down... Read Allen Blooms book, The Closing of the American Mind. He tells about the "plan" and it's sure implementation. I don't believe we're dumbed down one bit. We believe in putting criminals in jail and away from law-abiding citizens. Frankly, there needs to be more because there are more people breaking the law. We are sick to death of child predators, rapists, gang murderers, corrupt politicians, white-collar crime, arsonist, illegal immigrants...the list goes on. Our society is sick. How about yours? No one wants a fortress mentality. Put the law-breakers within the fortress. ...and fortress America works??? The evidence is all around!!! Ignore for now your relationship with the World ie Iraq, Israel, etc ...What works in America, in your opinion? Just on criminality for one. The number imprisoned keeps going up. Is crime coming down? That IS your purpose in locking them up, isn't it. And it works, does it? The "eye for eye" version of Christianity as pontificated by the 'moral majority' is the entire fault, IMO. "Hang 'em high" doesn't seem to work. Maybe if the 'moral majority' practised what Jesus Christ preached they'd find solutions. So swap the old '10' commandments for the 10 Beatitudes. LOVE as preached by JC. RESPECT what ever human wants and for th... What distortion. "Forgiveness is the task of individuals, not institutions." And our rule of Law is an institution. I've noticed the portrayal of criminals on both the front pages, and in fictional crime dramas, among other places, where the the facts are distorted to prompt judgment with as little information as possible. Descriptions are provocative, to encourage people to come back for the next episode, which will contain an even more twisted killer. I'm sure people forget that these things are absolute fiction, but they can go on as they are real case histories. They are also prepared to believe that solving crime is a matter of applying the the right technology, and coming up with the proof just before the last ad break. In the real world police do not have such refined techniques or ethics. When a l... What distortion. ...says JaftlaWhich distortion? I said... ..and fortress America works??? The evidence is all around!!! Ignore for now your relationship with the World ie Iraq, Israel, etc ...What works in America, in your opinion? Just on criminality for one. The number imprisoned keeps going up. Is crime coming down? That IS your purpose in locking them up, isn't it. And it works, does it? The "eye for eye" version of Christianity as pontificated by the 'moral majority' is the entire fault, IMO. "Hang 'em high" doesn't seem to work. Maybe if the 'moral majority' practised what Jesus Christ preached they'd find solutions. So swap the old '10' commandments for the 10 Be[b]... A bad workman always blames his tools righthand have you ever been to the U.S? I like what you say here, righthand so keep up your defencesYou are right on spot with your assessment. Here, this might help ease the burden, yeah? No and unlike any self-respecting Irishman, I have no relations in the US. Yes, there was a time a decade ago when I would have wanted to go there. Not now. Not for 10,000 Euro. For one, to go from gunless Ireland to gunfull America would blow my mind. Two years ago, my now 17 year old daughter's school soccer team were going to America. She expected my declining of her opportunity to go, so was not unhappy. Not my normal style and she didn't give me a hard time. I've only once in my life demonstrated. That once was against GWBush. Do I need to visit to comment on America? Maybe it is easier to see it from the outside! Ok? yeah ,I'm Irish too ,but I have American friends Eamon de Velara was of American origin, America has contributed a lot to the world but at the moment the government's foriegn policy is based on fear or at least seems to be.A lot of Americans are dissatisfied with Bush ,it's the attitude of those who support him that seems to be the problem Yes, we've seen it all before in Northern Ireland. It was in the Ascendency interest to keep the working class divided. Religion was used as often before to create this division. Having money was their only god. Does being a believer make you stupid. Can the 'moral majority' not see that their great power for to do good is being misdirected by greedy corrupt people. How many of their own religious leaders have let them down. The smart ones treat religion as some type of rotary club - good for business. The New Testament is seldom quoted but the warlike Old Testament is. Earlier one hid behind 'the institution' as an excuse. "Forgiveness is the task of individuals, not institutions... Our society is sick. How about yours? No one wants a fortress mentality. Put the law-breakers within the fortress.At what point, as the numbers in prison continues to rise, would an alternative or modification of the failed repressive system, be considered?  or  or i hear "gun control" looming in the horizon. What works? Is it bad people or bad laws or what? The 'hang 'em high' brigade is heading for the hills, Prisons both alienate and isolate inmates, so the society that sentenced them will not be the society they return to. There is also the the likelihood, that they will not be accepted on reasonable terms, sometimes in their minds, sometimes in the eyes of the public, sometimes both. They return to the devil they know. Sometimes, a person, regardless of the sentence, can be convicted for life. Any attempts at redemption are met with cynicism, and suspicion. It's not just the prisoners, or the prisons that need reform. "If one man is a slave, all men are slaves. If one man is in prison, all men are in prison" Kurt Vonnegut Jr "If your eye offends you cast it out" Jesus of Nazareth, Son of Man. All true and more. Prisons are the universities for criminals. They come out knowing more about worse criminality than when they went in. That and having a worse or new drug habit. In prison, there is a status in the level of 'time' being served. That status or respect is where the problem lies, IMO. Inside or out, these same people will gravitate towards the bad influence. Factors are lack of self-esteem, bad education, relationships - at home and with females (for men), 'friends', violence, etc all playing a part. or... So long as governments set the example of killing their enemies, private citizens will occasionally kill theirs may also be a clue as to where to start looking. "Prisons both alienate and isolate inmates...." and best of all, it prevents them from committing more crimes against innocent people. "Prisons both alienate and isolate inmates...."These sparse few words need a fuller explanation as to their intent. You cannot possibly mean 24/7 isolation, surely? Did you think at all before you wrote those words. I'm going to be far far more charitable than you by not writing down what I am thinking about you with your glib smug remarks, And this is still the mild thoughts that I have to your priggish attitude. Do you think lady that after you have alienated and isolated them to "prevent them committing more crime against innocent people", then, that they will not commit far far worse crimes after you eventually let them out. The evidence is not with you. If "alienating ... from what I heard scandanavian countries have good ideas on prisons allowing prisoners develop themselves in healthy ways and offer them help @pokkets @ righthand ..we have another strange one in our midst The Enforcer out to put people in the morgue I didn't even waste my breath on him & after your struggles with this lot of selfish, paranoid hypocrites no concept of the milk of human kindness, hats of to you guys for asking the right questions ,,is it working?? you can lead a horse to water but cant make it drink. also comments about Nth Ireland I found interesting. |
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