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1-12-2009 7:34 PM
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1-12-2009 10:32 PM
chestnut501
Yeah, That grey area is called denial Ted. And as for being molested as a child, if you know that didn't contribute to your sexuality, then why bring up.
1-12-2009 10:47 PM
jatfla
Keep the guy out of the pulpit and not allow him an opportunity to justify his behavior. Go away. Do some very quiet work among the needy and poor who could use some basic help...like building houses, digging wells, serving in soup kitchens, providing for the homeless. Shun the limelight and become a servant; work on your 'gray areas'.
1-12-2009 11:16 PM
BartendingBear
My story's got some gray areas in it. And, of course, I'm sad about that but it's the reality.
As in... being gay is not a choice.
1-13-2009 10:23 PM
Ilsadago1
If what happens in the bedroom is private, why do we care? He's married, but gay? OK, he's bisexual. Not that gray. Is the fact that he's a preacher the story here? He's still human, right? His sexual preferences are between him and his partner(s). I could care less.
1-14-2009 2:23 AM
chestnut501
llsadago1, You make a very good point, however this is a man who has done Gay people a lot of harm. It will take time. As for his being bisexual, there are those of us who don't even believe in it's existance other than to be a cop out, a safe haven or extended closet to run back into when things get rough.
1-14-2009 8:22 AM
debbyski
First of all, I hate it that Haggard wants to lay blame for his orientation by insinuating it is somehow sinful and "he got off track" and/or there might be a deep rooted cause such as molestation.
He goes on to say he had a "wandering in the wilderness" time and now he is glad he is on the other side. Then he goes on to admit that he still "struggles" with same sex attraction as if it is an addiction.
As a bisexual woman, I've seen acceptance and discrimination in my lifetime. I must admit I expect it from heterosexuals, but it is particularly hurtful when it comes from within the gay community; a community that should know better, and I think most do. Who is to say that Haggard is a hom...
1-14-2009 10:28 AM
ratilfar
Its the sheer hypocrasy of the thing. Attack homosexuality and build an kingdom on it then say "well I'm not that gay" when he gets caught with meth in his brain and a boy tow down his pants.

The man is a disgrace.
1-14-2009 10:28 AM
ratilfar
No to mention meth is an illegal drug, why is he serving 20 to life for prostitution and drugs?
1-30-2009 6:38 PM
Jorjor
Chestnut does a disservice to people who are truly bisexual. Proof that tolerance has its limits even among those whom it serves.
1-31-2009 3:26 PM
chestnut501
There's no such thing as a "truely" bisexual. There are people who have chosen to live thier lives that way. So be it, but let them stay with one another. It is the self proclaimed besexual who does the disservice to the Gay Community. Indeed tolerance does have it's limits. Stay on your narrow diffinition of existence and do not cross over onto ours. Do not seduce juveniles and then run home to your wives and husbands and play heterosexual and allow the blame for your actions to fall on the Gay community. The Gay community is MONOGAMOUS, you are NOT. Why in the world would you think that we would knowingly want to get involved with you? Worst of all you are all hypocrites. Your lives are di...
1-31-2009 6:22 PM
debbyski
Let me address that JorJor since I am a married bisexual woman. Unfortunately biphobia exists within some in the gay community and they should know better. Some lesbians carry a deep distrust of bisexual women who are seen as "experimenting", but I feel this narrow minded definition does a disservice to the women in the relationship. For example, a heterosexual male married man who has a relationship with another woman is never seen as "experimenting." And of course it is ridiculous to think that gays are any more or less monogamous than straights or bisexuals. People are people. There is no difference in a lesbian leaving her partner for another woman (and I've seen plenty of that) ...
1-31-2009 6:47 PM
debbyski
In essence, Ted Haggard was telling his congregation to be afraid of him---and they should have listened--not to their own fear of homosexuality, but to his hypocrisy.
1-31-2009 7:03 PM
Jorjor
I had a good opinion of Chestnut501 until he posted that last rant. He has a ways to go to prove to me that he and Haggard aren't that far apart. debbyski, you know what I mean.
1-31-2009 7:07 PM
chestnut501
Jorjor, allow me to introduce myself. Or perhaps I should let Debbyski introduce me. Go ahead debbyski, catch jorjor up to date. Tell him all about me. You have my attention now.
1-31-2009 7:19 PM
chestnut501
Jorjor, Debbyski knows me better than anyone here...well, not exactly. What I should say is that I've allowed myself to be more vulnerable around her than I have to anyone here. I am, by the way, I'm not a he. I'll let you finish this conversation without me. I really prefer an atmosphere of friendliness. Jorjor, I'm sorry if I offended you or anyone here personally. That was not my intention and it is not what I wish to be about. Please continue, but without me.
1-31-2009 7:27 PM
chestnut501
Jorjor, This tells all about me. Third clip down "for chestnut", please read first comment. Thank you.

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