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8-8-2008 2:40 PM
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zizzy says:
It wasn't only blacks who were lynched in the mob spirit that Toby Keith praises in his song.
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8-8-2008 3:30 PM
laceym
You trying this shit again zizzy?

You are pretty fond of bearing false witness against TK that you cannot resist the opportunity to find absurd interpretations of the song.

We do not need these types of people in this culture. We are much better served by people who care about the truth, and who will confine their attacks to the things people actually say and do because they are wrong, and not make up fictions for the sake of promoting hostility.

I am not a Toby Keith fan, in fact he makes me sick to my stomach, but this is unethical and plain silly.
8-8-2008 3:56 PM
zizzy
laceym -
We do not need these types of people in this culture.
That's really funny. What types of people do we need? Those who advocate vigilante justice? Who believe in using all the rope in Texas to hang people high? I'm not making that up. Just read the lyrics. It's all there for anyone who comprehends English.

You say that you expect more of me. I hope that you hold Toby Keith to the same standard. If I were being racist I would have called Keith a nasty piece of white trash for writing that song. But I didn't and I still don't. The photos illustrate what lynching was like back in Grandpappy's day, many of whom I bet were innocent victims of the vigilante justice that ...
8-8-2008 4:15 PM
laceym
Now you've moved the goal post.

Capital punishment can be a debate for another day.

But you made the stretch to make it a racists song, which is in your mind only.

If you're against capital punishment, fine. If your for capital punishment but against hanging, fine. But don't make up lies in the process.

To call this racist trivializes real racism.

I like how you have TK is from Oklahoma, Oklahoma was a Jim Crow state, so he's a racists. Very funny.
8-8-2008 4:40 PM
n2sooners
Read the lyrics again. Saddles, horses, saloons, it is pretty obvious that he is talking about the old west.

Is the education system today so bad that people don't even know that hanging wasn't exclusively used on black people?
8-8-2008 5:50 PM
zizzy
@n2sooners - Saddles, horses, saloons, it is pretty obvious that he is talking about the old west.

You got to saddle up your boys
we'll all meet back at the local saloon
.

He's creating an image for today that evokes the old west: after a hard day of riding hard with your boys and stretching necks celebrate at the local saloon. Yeehah!

There's no mention of saloon when he's writing about Grandpappy's day, just rope and hanging.

is the education system today so bad that people don't even know that hanging wasn't exclusively used on black people?
See the clip American Lynching. Also, in the movie Toby Keith plays a deputy who chases after a Me...
8-8-2008 5:56 PM
zizzy
@laceym - I am not the only one who gets that this song is racist. The comment in the original clip is from the Huffington Post article. I should have placed the text in quotes. Max Blumenthal wrote in part:
During the days when Toby Keith's "Grandpappy" stalked the Jim Crow South, lynching was an institutional method of terror employed against blacks to maintain white supremacy
Capital punishment can be a debate for another day.
The song advocates taking rope and hanging people high. Lynching. Capital punishment is punishment by death which is advocated in the lyrics: it's a valid subject.

To call this racist trivializes real racism.
*Sigh*
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8-8-2008 8:15 PM
n2sooners
But whose granpappy is it? What makes you believe it must be Toby's grandpappy? And how is it you know more about what Toby was writing about than Toby?

Sounds like a bunch of irrational BS to me.
8-8-2008 8:44 PM
zizzy
@n2sooners - Ok. But be he real or metaphorical TK uses Grandpappy to advocate lynching. Amazing how you're not calling B.S. on a songwriter that advocates mob injustice.
8-8-2008 9:17 PM
n2sooners
I don't think he was advocating violence today, he was just singing about how justice was often served in the wild west.

And I have a hard time believing you are really concerned about violence being advocated in music when you are wasting time with TK and a four year old song while ignoring all the violent music hitting the top 40 charts today.
8-8-2008 10:09 PM
zizzy
@n2 - it's a 4-year old song re-released for song for a new movie of the same title.

As for your final comment: LOL. I really doesn't matter what you think about me.
8-8-2008 10:27 PM
willhelm
Toby Keith is pretty outspoken Democrat. Sure the Dems have a large fascist contingent these days, but I find it absurd to suggest Toby Keith is among them. I think the actions of zizzy are, in a metaphorical sense, more along the lines of what we can expect from the loons.
8-8-2008 10:28 PM
willhelm
I think the actions of zizzy are, in a metaphorical sense, more along the lines of what we can expect from the loons.
By metaphorical I mean a lynching based on propaganda and irrationality.
8-8-2008 11:14 PM
zizzy
LOL. Nice try with the conservative troll speak. I never even hinted that TK is a fascist - those are your words.Fascists believe that the State is stronger than the masses and therefore should be in control. A lynch mob is law unto itself, something those fascist Democrats would find offensive. Perhaps you should consult a dictionary before using big people words.
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