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9-12-2007 2:59 PM455 views
masbury says:
Commanding General does not know if war helps US security.
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9-13-2007 10:13 PM
pokkets
He's catching on.
9-13-2007 10:46 PM
willhelm
Commanding General does not know if war helps US security.
Why would he give a political opinion on the result of the war on US security. That is not his job. His job is to put down the insurgency of al quaeda and foreign invaders. Almost every question and comment directed at Petreus was directed in a political context or an attack on his character.
It is a quite ignorant thing to fall for a headline such as this. It is blatant anti-war propaganda.
9-14-2007 12:35 PM
cptenaud
Dimwit willhelm.
Goose step to the Nazi party.
Its not ours to reason why.
Its but to do and die.
Into the jaws of death.
Into the mouth of Hell.
Rode the six hundred.

Except Willhelm, He just waved his flag from the sideline.
9-14-2007 12:49 PM
masbury
Wait, the President says that if we wage war in Iraq, we'll be safer. Presumably, then, there is an enemy in Iraq that needs killing, and doing so will aid the equation.

But the Commanding General himself - who is there calculating tactics every day - can't honestly say we're getting what we're dying for.

If a civilian had said this, they'd say "He doesn't support the troops." What a terrible predicament the President has put our soldiers in! Even their Commander can't tell if they're dying for something that benefits America! Don't blame antiwar enthusiasts for troop demoralization: blame the President, who's put them in a place where no honest soldier can say he's sure they're accomplishing anything.
9-14-2007 1:40 PM
willhelm
Masbury, Of course Bush says this war will ultimately lead to better security against radical Islamist threats. However, that is a political point. Petreaus was charged with putting down an insurgency of al queada and foriegn invaders, maintaining stability, and ultimately training the Iraqis to maintain their own security. His opinions about the war and results of the war are insignificant.

But the Commanding General himself - who is there calculating tactics
every day - can't honestly say we're getting what we're dying for.
Of course he can - The freedom and security of Iraq.

Face it Masbury. The fact is you do not care about safety. You care about hope. Hope in failure for the sake of politics.
9-14-2007 3:16 PM
masbury
Surely you're joking.
1. America never went to war for the freedom and security of Iraq. The pitch the Congress bought was about the freedom and security of America. Which turned out to be a bust, because Iraq did not threaten American freedom and security in the way Bush told us it did.
2. And even then, people who had the sense to oppose the war were told, "You do not care about safety." That is simply untrue: I did not ever believe that Iraq was a threat to safety. Saying that people don't care about safety sets up a straw man and knocks him down, completely dodging the argument: this horrendous war has, by every analyst's estimation, made America less safe. Find evidence to t...
9-14-2007 4:13 PM
willhelm
On point one, I partially agree with you. It was a catalyst for action as was wmd, defying US sanctions and Iraqi support for terrorism. The freddom and security in Iraq is imperative to the goal of changing the nature of the Middle East.

The reason for the war in Iraq is much more regionally focused. With developing democracies in Afghanistan and Iraq, Iran's people are more likely to have support to rise up against their radical regime. You cannot view the battle in Iraq as isolated from the War on Islamic Extremism. There is a complex and far-reaching agenda being waged here and it really does not matter who is President , outside of Dennis Kucinich, it will proceed.

This is a campaig...
9-14-2007 6:02 PM
masbury
But Islamic extremism was not an issue in Iraq until we got there, and is only a tiny fraction of the conflict now, which the President is ever trying to make look larger than it is.
Further, Iran would not have the government it has had not the US overthrown its nascent democracy in 1953 (because they nationalized the oil industry after 50 years of underhanded double-dealing by the British) and installed the Shah, then trained his secret police. A diverse set of groups rose up against the corruption of the Shah's regime, and because the religious group looked like the biggest change from the US-backed regime, they won public support. Even the taking of the US Embassy there happened as a r...
9-14-2007 6:14 PM
willhelm
I will be the opposition party no matter who's in power.
Good for you. That is one of the most American things I've ever heard at Clipmarks. However, opposition without condemnation should be the key.
9-14-2007 9:48 PM
masbury
Thanks - complete agreement here.
On the controversy regarding safety, you might find this clip intriguing (and, I think, fairly respectful in tone): Clash of Civilizations?
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