nevets85, Birzeit University--the one mentioned in the clip--was founded in 1924. According to Wikipedia, it became a full-fledged university, offering third- and fourth-year programs to its students, after the occupation because Palestinian students could not complete their education in Arab universities outside of the Occupied Territory. If you have any information that Israel contributed to the expansion of Birzeit Uni, I'd love to hear it, although in my mind that does not absolve Israel of the hardships it has imposed on higher education in palestine. Since Israel is the occupying power, it is morally obligated to provide these kinds of services.

You link to a picture of a Palestini...

nevets85, Birzeit University--the one mentioned in the clip--was founded in 1924. According to Wikipedia, it became a full-fledged university, offering third- and fourth-year programs to its students, after the occupation because Palestinian students could not complete their education in Arab universities outside of the Occupied Territory. If you have any information that Israel contributed to the expansion of Birzeit Uni, I'd love to hear it, although in my mind that does not absolve Israel of the hardships it has imposed on higher education in palestine. Since Israel is the occupying power, it is morally obligated to provide these kinds of services.

You link to a picture of a Palestinian kindergartener holding her hands up covered in a red substance; she is allegedly (I do not trust lgf for any factual claims made about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict) commemorating the lynching of Israeli reservists in Ramallah. I am not surprised that it is easy to find examples of hate-mongering among Palestinians, but then it is also clear that it would also be easy to find examples of hate-mongering among Israelis. Ultimately I do not think that "hatred" explains the dynamics of the conflict--it is rather a byproduct of the occupation and confiscation of Palestinian lands after 1967, which needs to stop in order for the conflict to be resolved.

Heya jklugman, It would take work to find sources you would accept, this story is also small and therefore will make little difference to your opinions. I will provide information for you when there is a bigger topic. Still I would love to discuss the issues.

I am setting up a blog with an West Palestine Arab who states he is living under occupation with the plan of getting to the facts by removing eachothers bias... this is just forming as we speak, a very interesting and worthwile project.

I would just like to say to Athyrius, many West Palestine Arabs do suffer partly due to Israeli actions... however the bulk of the suffering can be placed on these entities:

The surrounding Arab count...

Heya jklugman, It would take work to find sources you would accept, this story is also small and therefore will make little difference to your opinions. I will provide information for you when there is a bigger topic. Still I would love to discuss the issues.

I am setting up a blog with an West Palestine Arab who states he is living under occupation with the plan of getting to the facts by removing eachothers bias... this is just forming as we speak, a very interesting and worthwile project.

I would just like to say to Athyrius, many West Palestine Arabs do suffer partly due to Israeli actions... however the bulk of the suffering can be placed on these entities:

The surrounding Arab countries.
The West Palestine Arabs leadership.
Systematic indoctrination of children to kill Jews in Arab schools and religious buildings.

Though the West Palestine Arabs do suffer greatly, it is inaccurate to compare their situation to Nazi Germany. There is no "Holocaust in the Holy Land"... look at the rising population figures of Palestinians. The only fence that has been set up is a response to repeated attacks against Israeli civilians. The only reason that there is a war atall is because Arab conuntries rejected the partition plan in 1948, repeatedly went to war declaring a massacre against the Jews, created the refugee problem, refused peace deals inculding Oslo: where Israel gave Palestinians control over 40% of Judea and Samarra while Arafat lived so poorly up to his end of the agreement he not only failed to stop terror, he couldnt even change his groups documentation that declared that Israel must be destroyed. In 2000 Israel offered 95% of the land captured from a defencive war in return for peace and without a counter offer, Arafat started a war against Israeli civilians by blowing up school busses.

That should do for a start. People can talk about Israel until thier voices are hoarse and their fingers are ground down from the typing.

Best wishes.


Steven

I am now on dialup, I cannot see these films. However, I am familiar with the work of MEMRI. It is widely known for publicizing outrageous public remarks/writings by Arabs and/or Muslims. As far as I know, it has not been accused of faking evidence, but it has been criticized for trying to imply that these outrageous comments represent all Muslims/Arabs (I believe it was founded by a former Mossad agent). If moderate views make up a substantial proportion of Arab/Muslim discourse, could we trust MEMRI to publicize them? If there is a substantial proportion of outrageous remarks percolating among Israeli Jews, can we trust MEMRI to represent them as well? Does MEMRI publicize the action...

I am now on dialup, I cannot see these films. However, I am familiar with the work of MEMRI. It is widely known for publicizing outrageous public remarks/writings by Arabs and/or Muslims. As far as I know, it has not been accused of faking evidence, but it has been criticized for trying to imply that these outrageous comments represent all Muslims/Arabs (I believe it was founded by a former Mossad agent). If moderate views make up a substantial proportion of Arab/Muslim discourse, could we trust MEMRI to publicize them? If there is a substantial proportion of outrageous remarks percolating among Israeli Jews, can we trust MEMRI to represent them as well? Does MEMRI publicize the actions of settlers, who beat and harras Palestinian Arabs, including children?

My point isn't that Arabs are good and Israeli Jews are bad, my point is that there is variation within these groups. I would also point out that Israels and (ESPECIALLY) Palestinians are living under extremely stressful (for lack of a better term) circumstances,. so it is not surprising to see the worst of human nature being brought out in these people, including violence, justifying violence, bigotry, etc.

I could be wrong about a hidden ajenda, but the videos they archive are ligit so thats the main thing.

I think some people just abuse the evidence MEMRI presents. There are good things too, you have to remember that - but it is also important to note that this is what people are being taught.

I will give you some links to LGF if you like - I know there are some questionable commenters on that site, however the information is also valid and ligitimate. People tend to attack LGF by pulling out racist comments.

I checked that site, Cox and Forkum can not be compared to Nazi papers - those cartoons are simply taken out of context. Arab media however can be compared to nazi papers... Perhaps i...

I could be wrong about a hidden ajenda, but the videos they archive are ligit so thats the main thing.

I think some people just abuse the evidence MEMRI presents. There are good things too, you have to remember that - but it is also important to note that this is what people are being taught.

I will give you some links to LGF if you like - I know there are some questionable commenters on that site, however the information is also valid and ligitimate. People tend to attack LGF by pulling out racist comments.

I checked that site, Cox and Forkum can not be compared to Nazi papers - those cartoons are simply taken out of context. Arab media however can be compared to nazi papers... Perhaps it is not a good idea to throw all this information at you at once - it is a lot to take in.

This information is provided by a group of Palestinians And Israelis who together are pleading for peace:

According to B’Tselem, the Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories, Israeli security forces killed 2,038 Palestinians between 29 September 2000 and 11 May 2003. Of these, 366 (18%) were minors under the age of 18. Indeed, by the end of the second day of the al-Aqsa Intifada, the day on which Mohammed al-Dura died, 15 Palestinians had already been killed. Of these, four (27%) were minors.

By
comparison, B’Tselem reports that betw...

This information is provided by a group of Palestinians And Israelis who together are pleading for peace:

According to B’Tselem, the Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories, Israeli security forces killed 2,038 Palestinians between 29 September 2000 and 11 May 2003. Of these, 366 (18%) were minors under the age of 18. Indeed, by the end of the second day of the al-Aqsa Intifada, the day on which Mohammed al-Dura died, 15 Palestinians had already been killed. Of these, four (27%) were minors.

By
comparison, B’Tselem reports that between 29
September 2000 and 11 May 2003 Palestinians killed 483 Israeli civilians and
216 Israeli security personnel, or 699 total. Of these, 92 or 13% were minors.

Now these numbers are fact- and it shows me who is the aggressor here.

Please read this story to see what happens when Israelis insult Islam:
http://www.masada2000.org/tatiana.html

She should not have got a jail sentence, but her actions were both irresponsible and insulting to the many Muslim Israeli citizens.

Re jklugman:
I am friends with Arabs in that region - I have no intention of painting them as bad. These people are victims.

Many have been tauight this themselves from a very young age - many are poor and allow their children to be indoctrinated at summer camps. Unfortunately it all results in kids blowing people up...

This sort of story has the ability to paint Palestinians as bad, I will post it as an example:
www.maarivintl.com/index.cfm?fuseacti...

Please read this story to see what happens when Israelis insult Islam:
http://www.masada2000.org/tatiana.html

She should not have got a jail sentence, but her actions were both irresponsible and insulting to the many Muslim Israeli citizens.

Re jklugman:
I am friends with Arabs in that region - I have no intention of painting them as bad. These people are victims.

Many have been tauight this themselves from a very young age - many are poor and allow their children to be indoctrinated at summer camps. Unfortunately it all results in kids blowing people up...

This sort of story has the ability to paint Palestinians as bad, I will post it as an example:
www.maarivintl.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=article&articleID=4613

Kindergarden graduation:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=3346&only

This is real, but we must not daemonise Palestinians but try and stop this system which is put in place by terrorist groups sponsored by the surrounding Arab states. The Palestinians are not daemons - they are suffering greatly as they are being used as political pawns.



My Palestinian friend is a nurse - is is people like him who relise what is going on (ie: indoctrination of children) and wants to make a better life rather than create death who will bring about peace.

ps. Excuse me for any typos.

Athyrus - I believe you should visit:
There is very shakey evidence about Al Durah.
http://seconddraft.org

Though I do know that innocents die - even this week innocents have died as a result of an Israeli strike against a known terrorist - but we can not stand around and let these terrorists plan attack after attack against our civilians. These men target civilians and hide out in civilian areas - the people who died as a result of the recent Israeli strikes were not targetted, strikes have even been called off to prevent loss of civilian life.

On the note about about the media, please read this old story:
http://www.honestreporting.com/articles/45884734/reports/The_Photo_that_Started_it_...

Athyrus - I believe you should visit:
There is very shakey evidence about Al Durah.
http://seconddraft.org

Though I do know that innocents die - even this week innocents have died as a result of an Israeli strike against a known terrorist - but we can not stand around and let these terrorists plan attack after attack against our civilians. These men target civilians and hide out in civilian areas - the people who died as a result of the recent Israeli strikes were not targetted, strikes have even been called off to prevent loss of civilian life.

On the note about about the media, please read this old story:
http://www.honestreporting.com/articles/45884734/reports/The_Photo_that_Started_it_All.asp

Athyrus - please note how this boy was used on a poster campaign against Israel. My point - Al Durah may be a symbol of the 2000 suicide war, however he is an illigitimate symbol.


I hope I have made it clear that I do not wish to daemonise Palestinians or Islam.


Steven

jklugman "memri have been accused of
faking evidence."

Do you have any links about that, I am interested. Also, do you know if these accusations ammounted to anything?

I am sorry, I did not answer all your questions:

"Are they
(or you) pushing this stereotype of Arabs to basically justify Israel
annexing parts of the West Bank and letting the Occupied Territories go
to hell?"

I support the creation of a second *peaceful* Arab Palestinian state. Many of the arguments for creating a peaceful Palestinian state in Judea and Samarra + Gaza are flawed, but we have to find a solution and that is why I support such a state... as long as it is peaceful. I also debate the commonly held statement t...

jklugman "memri have been accused of
faking evidence."

Do you have any links about that, I am interested. Also, do you know if these accusations ammounted to anything?

I am sorry, I did not answer all your questions:

"Are they
(or you) pushing this stereotype of Arabs to basically justify Israel
annexing parts of the West Bank and letting the Occupied Territories go
to hell?"

I support the creation of a second *peaceful* Arab Palestinian state. Many of the arguments for creating a peaceful Palestinian state in Judea and Samarra + Gaza are flawed, but we have to find a solution and that is why I support such a state... as long as it is peaceful. I also debate the commonly held statement that Israel is "occupying" Palestinian land - it is disputed terriotory, not occupied.




I will send you the blog address when it starts up properly. Right now it is just forming from an idea I had last week. I want to find more contributers too, that way there will be enough content and a wider range of perspectives.

"September 2000 and 11 May 2003 Palestinians killed 483 Israeli civilians and 216 Israeli security personnel, or 699 total. Of these, 92 or 13% were minors."

"Minors" often attack Israeli troops - it is difficult to know if these statstics are accurate. However these figures do not tell a story:

ie. A Palestinian puts on explosives, walks into a restaurant and blows himself up. Israelis are fast to respond and there are very few deaths - most people are injured, some maimed for life, but survive. That is what happens when a shard of metal slices through you - you are maimed, and this is what is planned with many suicide bombs (as they pack screws and nails).

Contrast that with a t...

"September 2000 and 11 May 2003 Palestinians killed 483 Israeli civilians and 216 Israeli security personnel, or 699 total. Of these, 92 or 13% were minors."

"Minors" often attack Israeli troops - it is difficult to know if these statstics are accurate. However these figures do not tell a story:

ie. A Palestinian puts on explosives, walks into a restaurant and blows himself up. Israelis are fast to respond and there are very few deaths - most people are injured, some maimed for life, but survive. That is what happens when a shard of metal slices through you - you are maimed, and this is what is planned with many suicide bombs (as they pack screws and nails).

Contrast that with a targetted killing of the man who built that bomb - more people may die.

This is all disgusting really, no deaths are good, but it is not Israeli agression. Israel is defending itself against masses who wish to murder Jews - and they have been taught so since infancy and been told it is a religious duty. Death figures do not indicate Israeli agression, simply that the Arabs are not that successful.

Take the 1948, 67, etc wars. These were not Israeli agression but Israel defending itself - the death figures show that Israel sustained less losses.

My point - these figures are often inaccurate and fail to explain the circumstances of these deaths. Secondly, the numbers do not reflect a tatic of "Israeli" agression.

Take care.

On statistics--even the data collected by the Israeli thinktank Institute for Counter-Terrorism (whose sympathies seem to me to be very hardcore Zionist) show that from 2000 to 2005 (the data end in Jan 05), the Israelis killed more Palestinians than the number of Israelis killed by Palestinians. This inequality holds even if you look at noncombatants killed by the other side.

You also seem to be saying that even if Israelis killed more civilians than Palestinians, the Palestinians are maiming more civilians that Israelis are. I do not find this argument compelling. First of all, it is not clear to me that t...

On statistics--even the data collected by the Israeli thinktank Institute for Counter-Terrorism (whose sympathies seem to me to be very hardcore Zionist) show that from 2000 to 2005 (the data end in Jan 05), the Israelis killed more Palestinians than the number of Israelis killed by Palestinians. This inequality holds even if you look at noncombatants killed by the other side.

You also seem to be saying that even if Israelis killed more civilians than Palestinians, the Palestinians are maiming more civilians that Israelis are. I do not find this argument compelling. First of all, it is not clear to me that the nail bombs that suicide bombers strap to themselves are going to result in more maimings than an Israeli rocket launched by an aircraft in a "targeted killing". Second of all, Israelis don't just harm Palestinians in these "targeted killings". The Village Voice ran an article which talked about how soldiers use rubber bullets to control stone-throwing Palestinians, which has resulted in many Palestinians being crippled.

On polls suggesting that the MEMRI is honestly representing viewpoints among Arabs by highlighting the outrageous remarks that are aired on state-owned TV in Arab countries. I cannot speak to the issue of Arab opinions in every single Arab country, but a February '06 poll (1, 2)of Palestinians conducted by Jerusalem Media & Communication Centre show a lot of diversity among Palestinians in terms of how Palestinians should achieve justice. A majority say they support suicide bombs, but a substantial proportion say they oppose suicide bombs.

(BTW, the above poll was b...

On polls suggesting that the MEMRI is honestly representing viewpoints among Arabs by highlighting the outrageous remarks that are aired on state-owned TV in Arab countries. I cannot speak to the issue of Arab opinions in every single Arab country, but a February '06 poll (1, 2)of Palestinians conducted by Jerusalem Media & Communication Centre show a lot of diversity among Palestinians in terms of how Palestinians should achieve justice. A majority say they support suicide bombs, but a substantial proportion say they oppose suicide bombs.

(BTW, the above poll was brought to my attention by Godfrey Daniel)

I also debate the commonly held statement that Israel is "occupying"
Palestinian land - it is disputed terriotory, not occupied.

The West Bank and Gaza are territories that were conquered by Israel during the 1967 war. I don't care who is to blame for the start of the war. The relevant fact is that the land had civilians living on it, and Israel has a moral (and most would say legal) obligation to those people. Like it or not, these territories are under occupation (or at least the West Bank currently is and Gaza was until recently). Israel has not lived up to this obligation by establishing settlements in these "disputed territories", dispossessing Palestinians of their...

I also debate the commonly held statement that Israel is "occupying"
Palestinian land - it is disputed terriotory, not occupied.

The West Bank and Gaza are territories that were conquered by Israel during the 1967 war. I don't care who is to blame for the start of the war. The relevant fact is that the land had civilians living on it, and Israel has a moral (and most would say legal) obligation to those people. Like it or not, these territories are under occupation (or at least the West Bank currently is and Gaza was until recently). Israel has not lived up to this obligation by establishing settlements in these "disputed territories", dispossessing Palestinians of their land, and trying to annex these territories to Israel proper.

If Israel wants to end the "dispute", it should evacuate the settlements, and return the land to its Palestinian owners.

I thought it was one of many quite an entertaining way to turn all Jewish people into evil doers. The Al Shatat program is quite entertaining too as it is so ridiclous - a little more grusome but it is all part of the same thing.

You are missing the point though, that video was just part of a huge hate culture that Palestinian children are being subjigated to.

Listening to people like Ayaan Hirsi, the religious leaders on televised sermons or even the kids themselves is highly valuable.

Repeat link: http://pmw.org.il/asx/PMW_Walla_7.asx
Listen carefully.

What are your thoughts on the other clips which are shown on state-run televisions?

What is listed here is just the tip of the iceberg...

I thought it was one of many quite an entertaining way to turn all Jewish people into evil doers. The Al Shatat program is quite entertaining too as it is so ridiclous - a little more grusome but it is all part of the same thing.

You are missing the point though, that video was just part of a huge hate culture that Palestinian children are being subjigated to.

Listening to people like Ayaan Hirsi, the religious leaders on televised sermons or even the kids themselves is highly valuable.

Repeat link: http://pmw.org.il/asx/PMW_Walla_7.asx
Listen carefully.

What are your thoughts on the other clips which are shown on state-run televisions?

What is listed here is just the tip of the iceberg in television media alone. This hate is also taught in infant school to "marrage" (which is the term used to celebrate suicide bombings.) There are parties in the street when a person chooses to massacre Israelis - when a person specifically targets night clubs, school busses, restaurants... sweets are passed out and sometimes the suicide bomber is honoured with road names and summer camps named after them. Nice.

It is true, but for people in the western world it is so shocking that we are unable to come to terms with it and attempt to rationalise it.

Mel Gibson.

If I just send you stuff it is not going to be the same as if you looked at all the evidence and made your own conclusions. If you wish to understand the current conflict this is one of many areas that (i think) everyone should investigate for it is (in my opinion) a major factor.

I also believe that if any of you guys who do not know the history and are lost - searh for background information such as events prior and up to 1948 including the formation of West Palestine - Trans Jordan, the partition plan and the peel comission etc... then have a look at the peace agreements.

With background information it is difficult to say that the current conflict is about an "occupation of historic Palestinian land".

You say Israelis are also responsible for abusing or killing Arabs - they are braught to justice when this happens. It is rare and it is delt with and these acts do not represent Israelis.

In contrast Arabs frequently target Israeli civilians - how many rockets have been fired at Israeli population centeres this year? Thousands. How many bombs have been caught at checkpoints - not enough, but hundereds.

The West Palestine Arabs on the whole (sometimes there is an exception) do not act to prevent terror, they celebrate it. I do not believe I can convince you of this truth though...

What people think about this conflict is largly due to the frame they see it through. We have to go back to l...

You say Israelis are also responsible for abusing or killing Arabs - they are braught to justice when this happens. It is rare and it is delt with and these acts do not represent Israelis.

In contrast Arabs frequently target Israeli civilians - how many rockets have been fired at Israeli population centeres this year? Thousands. How many bombs have been caught at checkpoints - not enough, but hundereds.

The West Palestine Arabs on the whole (sometimes there is an exception) do not act to prevent terror, they celebrate it. I do not believe I can convince you of this truth though...

What people think about this conflict is largly due to the frame they see it through. We have to go back to look at the history, the creation of Israel, the formation of the PLO etc to understand these things. Hopefully these clips will inspire a few of you to look into it from a critical view. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

This is a "ceremony in a Palestinian school":
http://www.amitiesquebec-israel.org/photos/enfants1.jpg

Games:
http://www.me-rc.info/children/10.jpg

Now look at this widespread image:
http://www.me-rc.info/children/10.jpg

Why are these kids throwing stones at tanks - shouldnt they be inside? Where are their parents? The Israeli tank is not harming the child.

Here are two related clips:
Video1: http://pmw.org.il/asx/PMW_idf.asx
Video2: http://pmw.org.il/asx/PMW_Arafat_7.asx

Then go back to listen to this clip again:
http://www.phyllis-chesler.com/db_video.html

Or listen to Walid Shoebat.

This is not against Palestinian children, but their terror leadership. They are being used by the Ara...

This is a "ceremony in a Palestinian school":
http://www.amitiesquebec-israel.org/photos/enfants1.jpg

Games:
http://www.me-rc.info/children/10.jpg

Now look at this widespread image:
http://www.me-rc.info/children/10.jpg

Why are these kids throwing stones at tanks - shouldnt they be inside? Where are their parents? The Israeli tank is not harming the child.

Here are two related clips:
Video1: http://pmw.org.il/asx/PMW_idf.asx
Video2: http://pmw.org.il/asx/PMW_Arafat_7.asx

Then go back to listen to this clip again:
http://www.phyllis-chesler.com/db_video.html

Or listen to Walid Shoebat.

This is not against Palestinian children, but their terror leadership. They are being used by the Arab nations who are unable to accept the existance of Israel. There was no "occupation" in 1964, and the PLO was just another terrorist gang then - when did Palestinians declare independence or fight against Jordanian and Egyptian occupation?

Never.

The few Palestinians who try to fight this are weakened by the fact that the world supports corrupt terrorist groups to lead them.

"What are your thoughts on the other clips which are shown on state-run televisions?"

nevets85, I told you at the outset that I am not surprised to see hatred of Jews/Israelis among Palestinians; I suspect there are elements among Israelis society that express hatred towards Palestinians (case in point: the www.massada2000.org website). I also said that I am not surprised that there is hatred among Palestinians and Israelis, due to the conditions in which they live in. I see nothing in these video clips to challenge my belief that this hatred is more of a symptom of a disease than the disease itself. Sure, there are some Palestinians or Arabs who will go on Bill O'Reilly's show to say th...

"What are your thoughts on the other clips which are shown on state-run televisions?"

nevets85, I told you at the outset that I am not surprised to see hatred of Jews/Israelis among Palestinians; I suspect there are elements among Israelis society that express hatred towards Palestinians (case in point: the www.massada2000.org website). I also said that I am not surprised that there is hatred among Palestinians and Israelis, due to the conditions in which they live in. I see nothing in these video clips to challenge my belief that this hatred is more of a symptom of a disease than the disease itself. Sure, there are some Palestinians or Arabs who will go on Bill O'Reilly's show to say that there is a unique "anti-semitic" culture among Muslims/Palestinians and that and it has nothing to do with the occupation or with the land, but it is not clear to me why I should privilege their viewpoint over others.

If Israelis are so concerned about Jew hatred towards Palestinians, how does the reckless use of military firepower in civilian areas, killing a greater number of Palestinian civilians than Israeli victims of Palestinian attacks, supposed to help matters? Do you think that settlements in the West Bank are helping alleviate the hatred? Or the exporpriation of Palestinian land?

OR, are these policies really just contributing to Palestinians' animosity towards Jews?

"You say Israelis are also responsible for abusing or killing Arabs - they are braught to justice when this happens. It is rare and it is delt with and these acts do not represent Israelis."

This is not true. Look at the 2006 country report on Israel from Amnesty International:

Israeli settlers in the West Bank repeatedly attacked Palestinians and their property. They destroyed crops, cut down or burned olive trees, contaminated water reservoirs and prevented farmers from cultivating their land, in order to force them to leave. Such attacks increased during the olive harvest months of October and November.

* In Mar...

"You say Israelis are also responsible for abusing or killing Arabs - they are braught to justice when this happens. It is rare and it is delt with and these acts do not represent Israelis."

This is not true. Look at the 2006 country report on Israel from Amnesty International:

Israeli settlers in the West Bank repeatedly attacked Palestinians and their property. They destroyed crops, cut down or burned olive trees, contaminated water reservoirs and prevented farmers from cultivating their land, in order to force them to leave. Such attacks increased during the olive harvest months of October and November.

* In March and April, Israeli settlers spread toxic chemicals in fields around Palestinian villages in the southern Hebron Hills and near Salfit. The chemicals were spread in areas where Palestinian farmers graze their sheep, effectively depriving them of their livelihood. The farmers were forced to quarantine their flocks and stop using the milk, cheese and meat during the productive season.
* On 16 October some 75 acres of olive groves belonging to Palestinian villagers near Salem in the northern West Bank were burned by Israeli settlers. Much of the villagers’ land was cut off from the village by a settlers’ road leading to the nearby Elon Moreh settlement. For years, Israeli settlers from Elon Moreh had prevented Palestinian villagers from accessing their land under threat of attacks.
Israeli settlers also attacked Israeli and international peace activists and human rights defenders who sought to document their attacks on Palestinians.
* On 26 September settlers from the Havat Ma’on settlement outpost assaulted Israeli peace activists and a film crew. Ra’anan Alexanderovitch was severely beaten and injured by a settler armed with an M16 assault rifle, and some of the crew’s equipment was stolen by the attackers.

Israeli soldiers and police at times intervened to stop s

More:

Israeli soldiers, police and settlers who committed unlawful killings, ill-treatment and other attacks against Palestinians and their property commonly did so with impunity. Investigations were rare, as were prosecutions of the perpetrators, which in most cases did not lead to convictions. By contrast, Israel used all means at its disposal, including assassinations, collective punishment and other measures that violate international law, against Palestinians who carried out attacks against Israelis or who were suspected of direct or indirect involvement in such attacks. Palestinians convicted of killing Israelis wer...

More:

Israeli soldiers, police and settlers who committed unlawful killings, ill-treatment and other attacks against Palestinians and their property commonly did so with impunity. Investigations were rare, as were prosecutions of the perpetrators, which in most cases did not lead to convictions. By contrast, Israel used all means at its disposal, including assassinations, collective punishment and other measures that violate international law, against Palestinians who carried out attacks against Israelis or who were suspected of direct or indirect involvement in such attacks. Palestinians convicted of killing Israelis were usually sentenced to life imprisonment by Israeli military courts, whereas in the exceptional cases when Israelis were convicted of killing or abusing Palestinians, light sentences were imposed.

* In August, Israeli soldier Taysir Hayb was sentenced to eight years’ imprisonment for the killing of UK peace activist Tom Hurndall in the Gaza Strip in 2003. He was convicted of manslaughter, not murder, as well as obstruction of justice, providing false information and unbecoming conduct.
* In November an Israeli army company commander was acquitted of all charges in relation to the killing of a 13-year-old girl, Iman al-Hams. She had been shot dead by Israeli soldiers in October 2004 in Rafah in the southern Gaza Strip while walking near a fortified Israeli army tower opposite her school. According to an army communication recording of the incident, the commander had stated that “anything that’s mobile, that moves in the zone, even if it’s a three-year-old, needs to be killed”. Neither the commander nor any other soldier was charged with the girl’s murder as the court accepted that the commander had not breached regulations on when to open fire. The court focused on whether he had acted improperly by repeatedly shooting at the child as she lay injured or dead.

"the Israelis killed more Palestinians than the number of Israelis killed by Palestinians."

As I said earlier - this does not turn Israel into an agressor.

You must have a different definition of "aggressor" than I do then. Israel could work towards a political solution to the Israel-Palestinian conflict. It could address Palestinian grievances by respecting the 1967 boundaries and evacuating the settlements. Leaders of the Israeli state have chosen not to do this. Instead, they have sought military solutions by trying to pummel the Palestinians into submission.

This does NOT excuse Palestinian attacks on Israeli civilians. This is NOT saying that the Palestinian l...

"the Israelis killed more Palestinians than the number of Israelis killed by Palestinians."

As I said earlier - this does not turn Israel into an agressor.

You must have a different definition of "aggressor" than I do then. Israel could work towards a political solution to the Israel-Palestinian conflict. It could address Palestinian grievances by respecting the 1967 boundaries and evacuating the settlements. Leaders of the Israeli state have chosen not to do this. Instead, they have sought military solutions by trying to pummel the Palestinians into submission.

This does NOT excuse Palestinian attacks on Israeli civilians. This is NOT saying that the Palestinian leadership, including Fatah and Hamas, have done everything they can to pursue a political solution. However, Israel is the more powerful party in this conflict--it has a relatively strong economy, it has overpowering military might, and it has implemented the policies that are at the heart of the dispute: settlements and the annexation of the Occupied Territories. I think the onus for a just resolution really lies with the Israeli state.

IMO, Talking about a Palestinian culture of hatred really just serves to deflect attention from the Israeli state's culpability in the mess Israelis and Palestinians find themselves in.