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9-7-2009 1:53 PM
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willhelm says:
The free market never does anything right, does it?

If you have to pay $500.00 for a 200.00 airline ticket...thank a union member.

If you are stuck in traffic for 2 hours in what should be a 45 minute commute because there is a road project that has taken 3 years and still is not completed, which should have taken 4 or 5 months...Thank a Union member.

If you find the productive traditions of your nation being sucked away by third-world countries, because the cost of paying someone 28 dollars an hour to glue a sticker on an automobile - plus another 40 dollars an hour cost to the company, blame a union member.

If your country is being ransacked by fascist thugs and greedy materialists who care not one iota for a particular company, just whatever they can control or steal...thank a union member.

If state funds are depleted because trade shops keep their members on unemployment for 40% of the year, which results in staggering costs to taxpayers, then thank a union member.
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9-7-2009 1:57 PM
lifecyce1898
do you choose to work for the lowest possible wage?
9-7-2009 1:58 PM
willhelm
The free market pays me what I am worth. Most union members are paid far more than they are worth.
9-7-2009 2:35 PM
n2sooners
Unions served a purpose in the past, but they evolved. Unions today aren't just fighting big business, they ARE big business. Today they have put their business and political interests above the interests of the workers. Unions were started as a check to the power of big business, but the problem is there is no check to the power of the unions.
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9-7-2009 10:05 PM
lifecyce1898
Wilhelm longs for the good old days of slavery and indentured servitude . If management agrees to a contract they are agreeing that the workforce is worth it. Without collective bargaining it's little more than slavery.
http://www.historyplace.com/unitedstates/childlabor/about.htm
http://www.digitalhistory.uh.edu/reconstruction/section3/section3_intro.html
http://www.kued.org/productions/joehill/early/miners.html
http://cprr.org/Museum/Chinese_In_America_Chang.html
http://edsitement.neh.gov/view_lesson_plan.asp?id=430
So, you in the ER with cardiac issues and the Doctor and Nurse come in to negotiate the value of their services. Free market, what are you willing to pay?
9-7-2009 10:15 PM
willhelm
Hey there, lunatic (sorry, abailart). An interesting thing about the free market is that an industry can never price itself out the consumer's ability to pay. That is, of course, unless the government intrudes and bends laws toward lawyers and insurance companies, creates a nightmarish bureaucracy of hurdles, establishes competitive restrictions on insurance companies (like outlawing ones ability to shop for insurance over state lines), etc, etc.

Remember: An industry can NEVER price itself out of a consumer's ability to pay. If an industry did, it would cease to exist.

By the way, I am an anti-materialist, libertarian...this was the ideology that freed the slaves. You are a materialist,...
9-7-2009 10:19 PM
willhelm
Antara, I did not remove your comment. It was removed by the Clipmarks gestapo. This is amazing since your comment exactly mirrored that of the one I just removed. The one you responded to. Just wanted to make sure you knew.
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9-10-2009 8:47 AM
thisnamecantbetaken
Can I ask you a question, willhelm? It's not uncommon to disagree with others' point of view, but the way you systematically clip about Masbury and bash him, is both disturbing and cruel. Why do you do it? Can't you find it in your heart, to let your animosity go and just let Masbury be? I think it's very unbecoming for you to use Clipmarks and Amplify for such an agenda. Can you explain to me why you are doing this? It can't be just because you disagree with him, because you disagree with so many people... so why?
9-10-2009 9:54 AM
n2sooners
He probably does it because Masbury clips some of the most blatant lies here on Clipmarks and blocks absolutely anyone who dares disagree with him. So the only way to counter what he says is to clip it.
9-10-2009 10:20 AM
thisnamecantbetaken
It seems to me, both the left and right sides of America always claim the other side is lying, but to single out just a few clippers, like Masbury, and ratilfar seems to go beyond just counter-clipping supposed lies. It seem personal. Willhelm is the first to say, to leave emotions out of things, but this hetz seems clearly to be based on emotions, and not good ones either. I dunno. Willhelm and I don't get along at all, but I find it hard to believe that even willhelm, can think this a fair and just way to go about things. All I'm asking, is for willhelm to just reconsider or at least modify his approach towards his political opponents. This isn't a fair way to go about it.
9-10-2009 11:01 AM
n2sooners
Maybe, maybe not, but it is the ONLY way to go about it when someone insists on blocking out everyone who disagrees with them. And I believe this method was approved by the Clipmarks powers that be when they instituted the ability to block people from commenting on your clips.
9-10-2009 12:48 PM
thisnamecantbetaken
I understand, n2. .But perhaps a better way would be to attack the ideas that one disagrees with, and not the clipper? That said, if someone makes personal attacks against someone and they are left no way to defend themselves because of a block, then it leaves one with no choice but to counter-clip and then it's just full steam ahead, no worries there, but there is no need for the title of this clip, to be as it is, to make a point about unions.

Anyway... I just felt I had to say what I felt and thanks n2, for not biting my head off, for doing so. Thanks. .
9-10-2009 8:12 PM
willhelm
I don't attack people, mstaken. I attack ideas. I apply logic, evidence, and truth mixed with a heaping helping of opinion, sometimes which includes my low opinion of the thinking/apprehension skills of some fellow clippers. Masbury blocks me just like you do. I don't care who blocks me and I don't care why people block me, but if I see something I want to respond to, then I will clip it and respond. I am not going to stop. Masbury is a blogger. He is a propaganda pusher and outright liar. He is fair game just like I am, just like everything on the internet is. I do appreciate your civility for a change in asking an honest question without vitriol. Kudos. It should be known, however, that m...
9-10-2009 9:00 PM
willhelm
Oh, and one more thing. I don't block Masbury. He is free to respond.
9-11-2009 7:42 AM
thisnamecantbetaken
Well... perhaps just think about it a little anyway, and thanks so much for your polite reply, too. .
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