Holocaust deniers use rhetorical strategies like Ahmadinejad to present themselves as open-minded free-thinkers, but in reality if you look at their arguments all they end up doing is coming up with ad hoc, convoluted explanations to dismiss all of the mountains of evidence that show that the Nazi state planned and carried out the extermination of Jews.

This does not of course justify the suppression Holocaust deniers have faced in Europe, but just because someone's words are suppressed does not mean that there is any truth to them.

David Irving's jailing is unjust, but there is an irony there--since he was the one who sued Deborah Lipstadt for libel because she called him a Holocaust den...

Holocaust deniers use rhetorical strategies like Ahmadinejad to present themselves as open-minded free-thinkers, but in reality if you look at their arguments all they end up doing is coming up with ad hoc, convoluted explanations to dismiss all of the mountains of evidence that show that the Nazi state planned and carried out the extermination of Jews.

This does not of course justify the suppression Holocaust deniers have faced in Europe, but just because someone's words are suppressed does not mean that there is any truth to them.

David Irving's jailing is unjust, but there is an irony there--since he was the one who sued Deborah Lipstadt for libel because she called him a Holocaust denier. That really kind of blows a hole in Holocaust denier's claims that they are all for open debate. The trial also showed that Irving had engaged in a variety of misrepresentations, all to support his Holocaust denial/minimization.

Arif, he's using plain facts to confuse minds, pure demagogy. Yes, 60 million people were killed at WWII, mostly civilians, and it was a tragedy of the war itself. But on the other hand, 6 million people of a particular ethnical and cultural identity were systematically exterminated by an insane ideological wrath. Bombardments kill millions of people and this is really tragic. But bringing people to horrible concentration camps where they are cruelly mistreated; deliberately torturing them and finally putting thousands of defenseless people in to gas chambers, coldblooded... This is totally a different thing and cannot be explained with the circumstances of a great war.

Instead of denying t...

Arif, he's using plain facts to confuse minds, pure demagogy. Yes, 60 million people were killed at WWII, mostly civilians, and it was a tragedy of the war itself. But on the other hand, 6 million people of a particular ethnical and cultural identity were systematically exterminated by an insane ideological wrath. Bombardments kill millions of people and this is really tragic. But bringing people to horrible concentration camps where they are cruelly mistreated; deliberately torturing them and finally putting thousands of defenseless people in to gas chambers, coldblooded... This is totally a different thing and cannot be explained with the circumstances of a great war.

Instead of denying the holocaust and mentioning other great casualties of the war, he could have said "Not only Jews but also communists, gypsies and many other people were killed in concentration camps" and this could perhaps make some sense. But he prefers to talk as if those massacres were no different than the other casualties of the war.

He compares the numbers. What if not 6 million but 6 thousand Jews had been killed by Nazis? Or even 6 hundred? The way they were tortured and killed, and the ideology behind that planned murders, is horrible. Numbers are not that important.

arifsali, I have realives that personally saw the gas chambers in concentration camps during the war. So, to put it bluntly - screw him for even thinking in that direction - he's full of you know what. As for the 60/6 numbers - hitler 'final solution' was to exterminate the Jews (as well as Gypsies and a few other kinds of people). The 60million were casualties of the war... the 6million were people intentionally gased to death for the purpose of extermination. It's not difficult to see the difference between the two. Nobody's denying the terrible suffering of hundreds of ethnic groups during WW2, except for this idiot. If you want to continue buying his garbage 'philosophy' - that's y...

arifsali, I have realives that personally saw the gas chambers in concentration camps during the war. So, to put it bluntly - screw him for even thinking in that direction - he's full of you know what. As for the 60/6 numbers - hitler 'final solution' was to exterminate the Jews (as well as Gypsies and a few other kinds of people). The 60million were casualties of the war... the 6million were people intentionally gased to death for the purpose of extermination. It's not difficult to see the difference between the two. Nobody's denying the terrible suffering of hundreds of ethnic groups during WW2, except for this idiot. If you want to continue buying his garbage 'philosophy' - that's your business, but he's full of **** on too many levels to count (or fit in a message).

@Kore7 - the love is where it needs to be, but this little man isn't reaching out to me - he's reaching out to you, because you guys make his day... I certainly don't, never did and never will.