Keeping up with torture apologists' arguments


	Keeping up with torture apologists' arguments

Lexica

6-3-2009 6:07 PM

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politics, torture, dishonesty, logical-fallacies

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<div style="margin: 12px 0px; font-family: arial; color: #333333; background: #ffffff; border: solid 4px #e5e5e5; width: 100%; clear: left;"><div class="CM_CTB_Content_Wrap" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;background-color: #ffffff;"><div style="border-bottom: solid 1px #dcdcdc; white-space: nowrap; margin-bottom: 8px; background-color: #eeeeee ;background-image: url(http://clipmarks.com/images/source-bg.gif); background-repeat: repeat-x; height: 24px; line-height: 24px; vertical-align: middle; padding-bottom: 4px; color: #666666; font-size: 10px;" ><a href="http://clipmarks.com/clip-to-blog/" title="see clips that are hot right now"><img src="http://content.clipmarks.com/blog_embed/c293ddbb-fbc5-4555-ae8d-9ccc3248c6ad/1D87B49D-BCE9-45E0-81B4-6AB752C495CE/" alt="" width="19" height="19" border="0" style="vertical-align: middle; margin: 0px 4px; display: inline; border: none; float:none;" /></a>clipped from <a title="http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2009/06/torture-apologia-chart-by-batocchio-it.html" href="http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2009/06/torture-apologia-chart-by-batocchio-it.html" style="font-size: 11px;">digbysblog.blogspot.com</a></div><blockquote style="text-align: left; padding: 0px 8px; margin: 4px 0px 8px 0px; background: transparent; border: none;" cite="http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2009/06/torture-apologia-chart-by-batocchio-it.html">It can be difficult keeping up with all the torture apologist appearances</blockquote><div style="height: 2px; font-size: 2px; background: #dcdcdc; border-bottom: solid 1px #f5f5f5; margin: 2px 4px;"></div><blockquote style="text-align: left; padding: 0px 8px; margin: 4px 0px 8px 0px; background: transparent; border: none;" cite="http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2009/06/torture-apologia-chart-by-batocchio-it.html">they rotate through the same old long-debunked arguments</blockquote><div style="height: 2px; font-size: 2px; background: #dcdcdc; border-bottom: solid 1px #f5f5f5; margin: 2px 4px;"></div><blockquote style="text-align: left; padding: 0px 8px; margin: 4px 0px 8px 0px; background: transparent; border: none;" cite="http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2009/06/torture-apologia-chart-by-batocchio-it.html">it's a disingenuous performance that makes much more sense if one realizes he's arguing from a conclusion, not larger principles - <I>don't prosecute or investigate any of the culprits</I>.  Because of this, torture apologists frequently offer extremely convoluted and even contradictory arguments.</blockquote><div style="height: 2px; font-size: 2px; background: #dcdcdc; border-bottom: solid 1px #f5f5f5; margin: 2px 4px;"></div><blockquote style="text-align: left; padding: 0px 8px; margin: 4px 0px 8px 0px; background: transparent; border: none;" cite="http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2009/06/torture-apologia-chart-by-batocchio-it.html">What follows is a chart of torture apologist arguments</blockquote><div style="border-bottom: solid 1px #dcdcdc; white-space: nowrap; margin-bottom: 8px; background-color: #eeeeee ;background-image: url(http://clipmarks.com/images/source-bg.gif); background-repeat: repeat-x; height: 24px; line-height: 24px; vertical-align: middle; padding-bottom: 4px; color: #666666; font-size: 10px;" ><a href="http://clipmarks.com/clip-to-blog/" title="see clips that are hot right now"><img src="http://content6.clipmarks.com/images/clip-icon.gif" alt="" width="19" height="19" border="0" style="vertical-align: middle; margin: 0px 4px; display: inline; border: none; float:none;" /></a>clipped from <a title="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_akLbxNKanGc/SiVkthmewVI/AAAAAAAACpA/Unq6iSEUWoM/s1600-h/Torture+Apologia+Chart6.jpg" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_akLbxNKanGc/SiVkthmewVI/AAAAAAAACpA/Unq6iSEUWoM/s1600-h/Torture+Apologia+Chart6.jpg" style="font-size: 11px;">4.bp.blogspot.com</a></div><blockquote style="text-align: left; padding: 0px 8px; margin: 4px 0px 8px 0px; background: transparent; border: none;" cite="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_akLbxNKanGc/SiVkthmewVI/AAAAAAAACpA/Unq6iSEUWoM/s1600-h/Torture+Apologia+Chart6.jpg"><div align="center"><img src="http://content7.clipmarks.com/blog_cache/4.bp.blogspot.com/img/61DAB447-6DCD-428F-906E-A1D8C7813999" alt="[Torture+Apologia+Chart6.jpg]" /></div></blockquote><div style="border-bottom: solid 1px #dcdcdc; white-space: nowrap; margin-bottom: 8px; background-color: #eeeeee ;background-image: url(http://clipmarks.com/images/source-bg.gif); background-repeat: repeat-x; height: 24px; line-height: 24px; vertical-align: middle; padding-bottom: 4px; color: #666666; font-size: 10px;" ><a href="http://clipmarks.com/clip-to-blog/" title="see clips that are hot right now"><img src="http://content8.clipmarks.com/images/clip-icon.gif" alt="" width="19" height="19" border="0" style="vertical-align: middle; margin: 0px 4px; display: inline; border: none; float:none;" /></a>clipped from <a title="http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2009/06/torture-apologia-chart-by-batocchio-it.html" href="http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2009/06/torture-apologia-chart-by-batocchio-it.html" style="font-size: 11px;">digbysblog.blogspot.com</a></div><blockquote style="text-align: left; padding: 0px 8px; margin: 4px 0px 8px 0px; background: transparent; border: none;" cite="http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2009/06/torture-apologia-chart-by-batocchio-it.html">I've tried to use a rough color scheme</blockquote><div style="height: 2px; font-size: 2px; background: #dcdcdc; border-bottom: solid 1px #f5f5f5; margin: 2px 4px;"></div><blockquote style="text-align: left; padding: 0px 8px; margin: 4px 0px 8px 0px; background: transparent; border: none;" cite="http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2009/06/torture-apologia-chart-by-batocchio-it.html">Red roughly corresponds to authoritarian arguments, fear-mongering, bullying and bigotry.  Somewhat contradictory to those are the claims of responsibility and utility in blue.  Green is for legal matters, and purple is mostly for arguments about politics and fallout (often a mix of authoritarian and utilitarian pitches).  Black is for particularly noxious, immoral arguments (all of which have actually been made, unfortunately).  </blockquote><div style="height: 2px; font-size: 2px; background: #dcdcdc; border-bottom: solid 1px #f5f5f5; margin: 2px 4px;"></div><blockquote style="text-align: left; padding: 0px 8px; margin: 4px 0px 8px 0px; background: transparent; border: none;" cite="http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2009/06/torture-apologia-chart-by-batocchio-it.html">I think I've covered most of the major arguments</blockquote></div><div style="margin: 0px 6px 6px 4px;"><table style="font-size: 11px;border-spacing: 0px;padding: 0px;" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tr><td style="background:transparent;border-width:0px;padding:0px;">&nbsp;</td><td align="right" style="background:transparent;border-width:0px;padding:0px;width:107px" width="107"><a href="http://clipmarks.com/share/1D87B49D-BCE9-45E0-81B4-6AB752C495CE/blog/" title="blog or email this clip"><img src="http://content9.clipmarks.com/images/c2b-foot.png" border="0" alt="blog it" width="107" height="17" style="border-width:0px;padding:0px;margin:0px;" /></a></td></tr></table></div></div>

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