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7-27-2009 3:34 AM
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abailart says:
It is part of the paradox that while, for instance, the USA is light years ahead of Europe in research into and treatment of cancers, its basic services lag far behind. The interest in universal healthcare is motivated surely by a response to what is available for the most vulnerable. Whatever, the 'interest' is surely worthwhile, and should be inflected by morality rather thanm rigid political dogma.
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7-27-2009 7:34 PM
willhelm
US hospitals are the best in the world if you can afford them.
Very true. They are the best and almost ANYONE can afford them. There are safety nets COBRA, SCHIP, Medicare, individual state Programs, like TennCare in my state for the very few who cannot, or are just simply hopelessly irresponsible. The fact is we have the best healthcare in the world for any economic station.
7-27-2009 7:46 PM
willhelm
its basic services lag far behind.
No they don't. I, or any American, can go to a primary care physician tomorrow, be referred to a specialist and have an appointment, then go for an ultrasound or other precautionary service, etc. I know, because I just had three appointments along those exact lines all in one day. The kicker is that it was also a holiday - Good Friday.
7-27-2009 10:00 PM
jklugman
Willhelm said:

There are safety nets COBRA, SCHIP, Medicare, individual state Programs, like TennCare in my state for the very few who cannot, or are just simply hopelessly irresponsible.
David Himmelstein et al. said:

Using a conservative definition, 62.1% of all bankruptcies in 2007 were medical; 92% of these
medical debtors had medical debts over $5000, or 10% of pretax family income.[1]
7-27-2009 10:02 PM
jklugman
The Commonwealth Fund said:

By 2007, two of five adults (41%) reported they had medical debt or problems with medical bills, up from 34 percent in 2005.[2]
7-27-2009 10:07 PM
willhelm
Yep, good cautionary tale. Like I say, there is an answer. It's called insurance. Get some. Just plain catastrophic coverage is actually very cheap. Cheaper than a cell phone, cheaper than cable TV, cheaper than internet access. Cheaper than eating out.
7-27-2009 10:09 PM
jklugman
Robert Valet et al. said:

More than one third of TennCare families reported denials of care for their children in the previous year...Content analysis of caregiver perceptions identified provider concerns about reimbursement as a factor in denials. Of the children who could not be seen by a physician, caregivers perceived that 12.2% became sicker as a result of the delay in care; 16.3% reported an emergency department visit after the denial.[3]
7-27-2009 10:13 PM
jklugman
willhelm said:

Like I say, there is an answer. It's called insurance. Get some. Just plain catastrophic coverage is actually very cheap.
Percentage of respondents covered by health insurance who say they have a medical bill problem: 33. [4, page 30]
7-27-2009 10:14 PM
willhelm
Doesn't say muc for governement health care, does it? And the is generally a fiscally sound and common sense state. Just imagione what it would be like in D.C. (Lunacy Land)
7-27-2009 10:17 PM
willhelm
Percentage of respondents covered by health insurance who say they have a medical bill problem: 33.
Could that problem be paperwork? That's what Obama used as an example. I guess he couldn't come up with anything else. Anyway, I'm sure that paper-work problem will be fixed if government has anything to do with it. We know how government makes things easier.
7-27-2009 10:26 PM
jklugman
Doesn't say muc for governement health care, does it?
I guess that's why everyone is clamoring to abolish Medicare and health care run by the VA.
7-27-2009 10:29 PM
jklugman
Thanks for clipping this abailart. This is a great article.
7-28-2009 3:05 AM
abailart
<<<The industry is often accused of wriggling out of claims. Firms comb medical records for any technicality that will allow them to refuse to pay. In one recently publicised example, a retired nurse from Texas discovered she had breast cancer. Yet her policy was cancelled because her insurers found she had previously had treatment for acne, which the dermatologist had mistakenly noted as pre-cancerous. They decreed she had misinformed them about her medical history and her double mastectomy was cancelled just three days before the operation.>>> (from article).
Insurance for medical care in EU states is through taxation. Similarly, education and defence are assured through taxation as are e...
7-28-2009 6:59 AM
jklugman
Could that problem be paperwork?
No. By "medical bill problem" the Commonwealth Fund meant "Problems paying or unable to pay medical bills, contacted by a collection agency for medical bills, had to change way of life to pay bills, or has medical debt being paid off over time".
7-28-2009 8:40 PM
willhelm
Only 33%? How many of the 33% worked through the problem rather easily? How many of the 33% wish that they could force their "problem" on someone else? How many have a "problem" paying their credit cards off?

I have co-pays and bills when I go to the doctor. Spending money is always a problem for 95% of us. 33% sounds like a reasonable number. It is probably even less than those who have a "problem" paying any bills, including luxuries.

Not convincing enough to want through the most outstanding health-care in the world into the never-ending tailspin of your fascist ideology.

Try quit being a sociologist every once in a while
(by that I mean.. liar). This is just like the clip where you ...
7-28-2009 9:34 PM
jklugman
Only 33%?
How many more insured people do you think would have a medical bill problem if all uninsured people followed your advice and got catastrophic coverage?
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