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4-19-2007 12:09 AM
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amgumen says:
They established consensus in their peer-review
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4-19-2007 12:34 AM
The REAL Napster
Gee ya think. Your preaching to the choir, here.
Myself and many others have been screaming about this forever here (and elsewhere)
It's all about the money and it always will be.
4-19-2007 2:36 AM
buches
Lots of accusations (actually, lots of negative pregnant statements that imply wrongdoing), but little substance.

If there was any evidence of wrongdoing by Mann or the rest of the scientific community, then don't you think the Texas congressman (who is probably in the pocket of Texas oil) who commissioned Wegman's report would have brought it to light when he had both Mann and Wegman testify at a congressional hearing? That kind of bombshell would have made for some mighty fine donations to the campaign of Mr. Barton.
4-19-2007 9:09 AM
amgumen
It's all about the money and it always will be.
Except global warming hoax?
4-19-2007 10:17 AM
amgumen
Buches, I challenge you to deny these statistical findings.
4-19-2007 6:14 PM
buches
I don't dispute that it's possible that Mann's statistical analysis left something to be desired. From what I understand, neither does the scientific community. See RealClimate. However, other data sources, other scientists, other review boards, agree with Mann's final conclusion: the climate is rapidly warming today in an anomylous manner. Even Wegman agrees with that.
Science 28 July 2006:
Vol. 313. no. 5786, p. 421

[Discussing the first Congressional hearing:]
[NRC Scientist] North got some unexpected support from Wegman . . . With a couple of qualifiers, Wegman a...
4-19-2007 9:31 PM
amgumen
That is not point that temperature is rising. Point is in the interpretation and in what should be done with the climate change. But what I am worry about most of all is not the climate (its behavior is unpredictable even without external forcing), but the situation in science. Human-induced global warming is just a poor-developed hypothesis that is based on limited data, uncertainties, primitive math models, underestimation of natural factors, and, as we can see, on misuse of statistics. This is not a scientific theory because it is not capable of explaining past climate variability. At the same time, it proclaimed consensus and gave out alarming forecasts. I would address tens of much more...
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