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What military are they talking about? The National Guard? Blackwater? A draft? Sure looking stupid for the republicans to drop Carter's initiatives for energy independence. The man the conservatives love to hate looks smarter and smarter every day. I say start a draft tomorrow. You will see the elitists screaming for new renewable energy sources. Well of course we will!! It's been the hotbed of turmoil for the last 20-30 yrs. Is there a country in the region that is *not* a threat to it's neighbors or the rest of the World? I would not want to be in charge of the foreign policy of this country for all the money in the universe. The web is so tangled, the economical stakes so high, the fervor so intense, the alliances so fragile, the propaganda so confusing that it's stability dictates yours and my family's future. He's stating the obvious. Question is, in what capacity will the U.S. be involved in the region, as an occupier, as an enabler, as a deal maker behind the scenes, as diplomatic envoy? (and no, I am not following you, I merely saw your answer and wanted to reply, I'll leave the stalking to others ..shudder..) It's a damn shame our oil is under their sand. debbyski....*our* oil is under our sand, but certain people/organizations won't let us get to it! ratilfar....in my opinion, probably all that you mentioned. Because the US has so much at stake and because our economy and security depend on a stable (???!!) Middle East, our Country will never be able to disassociate itself from the region. AND our stability and security effect (affect?) the rest of the world. That's just reality. (silly you...no stalking; just interested in the same things with different viewpoints) I will come to your house and make your family have the same values that mine does. You have to change to my way of thinking or I can't leave. But as soon as you do change to my way of thinking and put away all your values in favor of mine I can go home and leave you be. Please pass the wine and smokes... almost forgot...Read chapters 1-5 in the Bible tonight so we can discuss it in depth tomorrow. By-the-way, You have earned 1 freedom point but don't forget it takes 100 points to get to the next level so you can find out how many more points you need to get to the next level. As a bonus you can get 10 extra points for converting your co-workers to my values and joining my cause. I must deduct 1/2 point of freedom for the questioning look on your face today. That's a dangerous and volatile prospect for the region. No way Jatfla; America leads the world in energy consumption. The oil companies have long since outgrown the producing oil reserves in this country and have already recovered all the easy stuff. That's why they are concentrating on the oil found in other people's countries right now and allowing ourselves to steal oil from one another is a good demonstration of how far the desperate few in power will go to remain in control. It's simple, but sad. With the war machine beating on, the oil companies remain safe, their cupboards stocked with the black gold of others--for now. In the meantime, those who foster to the illusions needed to keep us dependent on oil keep training us to play our part. Eat, drink, and be merry. Let's try drilling for oil in ANWAR and off the coast of Florida. I can imagine the results and would like to see them. Is the Middle East still going to be there in 50 years? Once you get sick of burning the candle at both ends, just throw the candle in the fire. As things are now, the war in Iraq has cost the US taxpayer between 5 and 600 BILLION dollars and that's not even including The War in Afghanistan or the overall "War on Terror" which would bring the cost up to close to 2 TRILLION dollars, according to some estimates. There are going to be a ton of baby-boomers retiring, thousands of wounded returning soldiers from the wars to care for, the economy isn't looking too smart either and the US is in debt to up over both ears for generations to come etc. How do they plan on paying for all this? I have to pop this for the discourse. All intelligent great observations. It's too bad the country isn't run by a group of people like you all. I'd take a group of diverse citizens running the show any day, over career politicians. I think our system is broken. Florida has been battling environmentalists for at least 10 years over off-shore drilling. It's there, it's needed, and can be done with relative protection of our beaches. Same goes for Anwar. When we have long gas lines again and are all riding bicycles with little baskets to the grocery store (if there's any groceries!) then maybe America will get serious about drilling. And there's not a single alternative fuel/energy option that's been proposed that someone hasn't come up with a reason not to pursue it. If you think the war in Iraq is completely about *oil* then tell your Congressmen to get busy on the home-front. Then we won't have that excuse to be there. (I, personally, do not... Both would be short term solutions. Fossil fuels are: a) finite, b) are tied to the global economy in such a way, that an increase in production in the U.S. would be a drop of the bucket (especially with China and India growing consumption rates) c)Are pollutants, both in its raw form as well as its processed forms d) There is a severe lack of refinery capacity in the U.S. which drives the cost up even more e) Most of the future oil exploitation zones are either in existing conflict regions which would then have said conflicts fueled (no pun intended) by oil or in hard to reach places. This would certainly keep the price per barrel up. So ANWR and increasing Gulf coast production ar... I don't believe the Gulf Coast and Anwar are the *only* silver bullets. I'm not interested in China or India's consumption rates. Agree the refinery deficient is a long neglected problem. I believe I've read about other places, here in the US, that have large reservores of fossil fuels and there's always coal, whose polluting range has been seriously cut. Heck...haven't we been told that cows pollute? Soooo...curiously....what are the options suggested by those who are posting to this clip? We all are aware of the down side of this...if you were President (and Congress would work with you) what is your solution to our energy dependence. Be realistic...we can't go back to the 1950s. Tax breaks for solar energy development, geothermal development, and non carbon emitted "energy positive" alternative developments. (Ethanol from corn, for example, is not net positive as an energy source.) And yes, but nowhere near people, we should be developing and designing nuclear plants now. (They take at least a decade to build.) I'm not interested in China or India's consumption rates.You should, because the fossil fuel market is a global market, and the prices you pay are driven by total global consumption, not simply what is consumed in the U.S. Besides, do you think those oil companies are simply going to sell the oit to the U.S. companies like BP and Shell are going to dump the oil in the global world market and will be sucked up by all those thirsty nations around the world. The more India and China consume, the less is there to go around. Heck the so called "American" oil companies don't pay the royalties to the U.S. goverment! The U.S. will never be able to produce itself out of foreign dependency of oil by drilling in ANWAR and the gulf coast. You will just be degrading our environment while making some more millions and billions for oil barrons. The US can produce its own energy needs through solar energy alone which doesn't even take into account geothermal, switch grass ethanol, wind energy, kinetic motion energy (produced from waves). Not to mention how much oil consumption we would be saving if we increased the fuel efficiency of our transportation fleet. Senators Kyl (Arizona Republican) and Senators Reid (Nevada Democrat) debated the issue of solar energy and there was no debate about it's feasibility of... Nuclear power plants ahoy! Silly patriotic me....I guess I didn't consider selling our resources to other countries as long as the need wasn't being met here. So, what's the hold up with solar. Surely one or two senators can't thwart the entire effort. Is it sort a' like the border fence? Most people think it's a good idea, but no one actually does anything? And just a question: Why would I care if "oil barons" are making millions if we all have affordable, available energy sources? "Oil barons" support a billion jobs, research, endowments, and gas for my husband to get to work. Not really, considering that the salary you speak up get eaten up by mile high gas prices, from the daily commute to the monthly grocery bill. The U.S. needs an integrated energy strategy, one that is not craft by the oil barons with Darth Cheney behind close doors. First of all, I'd like to thank all the clippers for putting their opinions forth in an articulate intelligent manner. I think Jafta has especially given her positions in a courteous manner considering she is the only one in this post with a differing opinion. Sorry it took me so long to respond but I was doing bills, cleaning (i'm obsessive, *LOL) and getting ready to go to Mass this evening (*SHOCK*, I actually do go to Mass and consider myself a disciple of Christ), and getting ready to start a new job Monday which I'm excited about. Energy is so fundamental to human activity that the future of our civilization largely depends on preparing for a post-oil world and I can't stress that poi... Plus jatfla your husband could drive to work in an electric car if the oil lobby wasn't so powerful in Washington. You're probably already aware of the movie "Who Killed the Electric Car" but if not it's a very revealing documentary. Why doesn't solar make more headway? Check out the legislation of the last Republican 109th Congress. In the new energy law, the U.S. Congress lavished tax breaks on its usual fossil-fuel favorites -- there's $1.6 billion in tax credits for new coal technology, $1 billion for gas distribution lines, another $1 billion for oil and gas exploration costs, $400 million for oil refineries, and so on.These tax credits keep oil and gas artificially l... Another interesting point. Oil and gas exploration only provides about 150,000 jobs in this country according to US Department of Labor statistics. One of the smallest of any job categories. US Dept of Labor industry specific employment tables |
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