Depends on how you word the question.

Look at it this way. Lets say you set the speed limit on the interstate to 25mph. You put up the signs, but you eliminate any law providing for the enforcement of that speed limit. Now, if you ask what the speed limit is, the answer is 25mph. If you ask how fast someone is allowed to travel on that interstate, the answer is again 25mph. But if you ask questions like what the average speed is on that interstate or if there are any speeders on that interstate, then it is an entirely different answer.

So, are illegals allowed to be covered under Obamacare? The answer is no. Will illegals be covered under Obamacare? The answer is most assuredly yes. There ...

Depends on how you word the question.

Look at it this way. Lets say you set the speed limit on the interstate to 25mph. You put up the signs, but you eliminate any law providing for the enforcement of that speed limit. Now, if you ask what the speed limit is, the answer is 25mph. If you ask how fast someone is allowed to travel on that interstate, the answer is again 25mph. But if you ask questions like what the average speed is on that interstate or if there are any speeders on that interstate, then it is an entirely different answer.

So, are illegals allowed to be covered under Obamacare? The answer is no. Will illegals be covered under Obamacare? The answer is most assuredly yes. There are fewer barriers preventing illegals from being covered under Obamacare than there are barriers to prevent them from being here in the first place.

Even accepting your argument at face value you yourself admit that nothing can be done about it. You haven't provided any valid ideas from the conservative angle that would halt those seeking to sneak some aid for themselves so its pretty obvious that even if you were given free reign to implement your own ideas (if they ever do appear) that you would suffer the same problems.

So basically you are arguing a moot point. In fact, no kind of healthcare reform is going to stop illegals from finding methods in the system to get themselves medical attention. There is only one way to do that and that is to make them not want to come to America.

And the simplest way to do that is to encourage Mex...

Even accepting your argument at face value you yourself admit that nothing can be done about it. You haven't provided any valid ideas from the conservative angle that would halt those seeking to sneak some aid for themselves so its pretty obvious that even if you were given free reign to implement your own ideas (if they ever do appear) that you would suffer the same problems.

So basically you are arguing a moot point. In fact, no kind of healthcare reform is going to stop illegals from finding methods in the system to get themselves medical attention. There is only one way to do that and that is to make them not want to come to America.

And the simplest way to do that is to encourage Mexico to improve its own economy so that its people don't feel that they are forced to try and come to America just to find food.

You are barking up the wrong tree if you want to stop illegals from getting medical aid. Unless you suggest we ask for green cards at the Emergency Room doors? You aren't that inhumane are you?

Even accepting your argument at face value you yourself admit that nothing can be done about it.

I admitted no such thing.

You haven't provided any valid ideas from the conservative angle that would halt those seeking to sneak some aid for themselves so its pretty obvious that even if you were given free reign to implement your own ideas (if they ever do appear) that you would suffer the same problems.

Did you bother reading this clip at all? This is directly from the clip (so you don't have to bother scrolling back up):

On July 16, an amendment by Rep. Dean Heller (R-Nev.) that would have required use of the SAVE [Systematic Alien Verification for E...

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Even accepting your argument at face value you yourself admit that nothing can be done about it.

I admitted no such thing.

You haven't provided any valid ideas from the conservative angle that would halt those seeking to sneak some aid for themselves so its pretty obvious that even if you were given free reign to implement your own ideas (if they ever do appear) that you would suffer the same problems.

Did you bother reading this clip at all? This is directly from the clip (so you don't have to bother scrolling back up):

On July 16, an amendment by Rep. Dean Heller (R-Nev.) that would have required use of the SAVE [Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements] program to prevent illegal immigrants from receiving the affordable premium credits was defeated by the House Ways and Means Committee.

And the easiest and cheapest way to drastically reduce the number of illegals in the US is to build a fence, secure the border, crack down on businesses that hire illegals, and revamp our guest worker program into something more usable.

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I admitted no such thing

You said :

So you believe that people who have already broken the law to get here would let some unenforced words in some bill stop them from signing up to get free health care?

Seems to me you just claimed that given an opportunity people that break the law are going to do it no matter what system is in place. What makes you think that a special (as yet unrevealed) republican health care reform system is going to stop it?

Alien verification is not going to limit health care, unless you force hospitals to refuse emergency health care.

build a fence, secure the border,

Create another Berlin, in other words? And...

N2 said:

I admitted no such thing

You said :

So you believe that people who have already broken the law to get here would let some unenforced words in some bill stop them from signing up to get free health care?

Seems to me you just claimed that given an opportunity people that break the law are going to do it no matter what system is in place. What makes you think that a special (as yet unrevealed) republican health care reform system is going to stop it?

Alien verification is not going to limit health care, unless you force hospitals to refuse emergency health care.

build a fence, secure the border,

Create another Berlin, in other words? And the republicans accuse democrats of being communist!

crack down on businesses that hire illegals

That I agree with.

revamp our guest worker program into something more usable

Sure. But what does this have to do with health care? If you want the illegals to not come to America we need to stop allowing industry to go over there and just profit from their poverty and force them to run under the same rules they would here in America. It would 1) improve their economy so they are not feeling the need to come to America, and 2) going to influence industry to keep the work in America anyway.

The amendment that was voted down has been in effect. IT stopped no illegal immigrant from getting benefits but did stop plenty of hardworking taxpaying green card carrying legal US residents from receiving benefits because it required so much documentation that you as a US citizen could not necessarily provide were you required to do so.
It is one thing to say bring your US birth certificate or green card and quite another to say bring seven verified forms of legal ID.
Do you have two legally recognized picture ID's? Proof of signature? Proof of Birth? Proof of residence? that you could access in a moments notice. How long would it take for you to get a Birth Certificate if you lived in ...

The amendment that was voted down has been in effect. IT stopped no illegal immigrant from getting benefits but did stop plenty of hardworking taxpaying green card carrying legal US residents from receiving benefits because it required so much documentation that you as a US citizen could not necessarily provide were you required to do so.
It is one thing to say bring your US birth certificate or green card and quite another to say bring seven verified forms of legal ID.
Do you have two legally recognized picture ID's? Proof of signature? Proof of Birth? Proof of residence? that you could access in a moments notice. How long would it take for you to get a Birth Certificate if you lived in New jersey but were born in Texas?
The other issue is that almost all illegal immigrants avoid any government agency like the plague. They very often don't get driving licenses as they fear Immigration using the records to track them. They rarely file for return of tax withholding out of fear of discovery. Do you really think they will sign up for insurance?
What generally happens is that they get injured then get emergency care and the hospital gets stuck with the bill. In egregious cases the hospital boards an illegal who needs nursing home care for months until they can be stable enough to be deported to a facility in their own country. The hospital foots the bill for medivac to that country or the hospital gets stuck paying for a nursing home here.

Seems to me you just claimed that given an opportunity people that break the law are going to do it no matter what system is in place.

Nope, I said that just like they didn't let an unsecured border stop them from breaking the law to get into the US, they wouldn't let an unenforced line in a thousand page health care bill stop them from applying for government health care.

Alien verification is not going to limit health care, unless you force hospitals to refuse emergency health care.

This isn't about emergency care. That is just a straw man argument. It is about them being able to get enrolled in the "public option" and even obtain "affordability credits" th...

Seems to me you just claimed that given an opportunity people that break the law are going to do it no matter what system is in place.

Nope, I said that just like they didn't let an unsecured border stop them from breaking the law to get into the US, they wouldn't let an unenforced line in a thousand page health care bill stop them from applying for government health care.

Alien verification is not going to limit health care, unless you force hospitals to refuse emergency health care.

This isn't about emergency care. That is just a straw man argument. It is about them being able to get enrolled in the "public option" and even obtain "affordability credits" that would go towards purchasing private insurance.

Create another Berlin, in other words? And the republicans accuse democrats of being communist!

So you are saying that America and Mexico should be one nation? Because the Berlin wall separated a city and a nation. I simply suggested we secure our border, not close it.

Do you have two legally recognized picture ID's? Proof of signature? Proof of Birth? Proof of residence? that you could access in a moments notice

Yes. Yes. Somewhere around here. Yes.

How long would it take for you to get a Birth Certificate if you lived in New jersey but were born in Texas?

My wife got hers to Oklahoma from Delaware in about a week and it cost $5.

Do you really think they will sign up for insurance?

If they find out there is no enforcement, then yes.

The SAVE amendment would have required everyone, native-born as well, to prove their citizenship every single time they visited a doctor, clinic, or hospital. Every single time. That would be ridiculously onerous.

Do you have a link to that?

Great points dulios and liamrb. The the ironic thing is that were the rolls reversed and the economy was so bad in America that one couldn't find suitable work to feed and house their family while the stories of a Mexico right next door that provided health care, education, and so much more to its citizens were there to entice them, many Americans would just as quickly seek to improve their lot there.

Short of taking violent action against and denying them any humane medical help there is no way to keep them out. A giant wall is a fantasy akin to Alaska's bridge to no where - a giant wall to no where.

And who do you think would build it? I believe it was Penn and Teller that hired a bunch ...

Great points dulios and liamrb. The the ironic thing is that were the rolls reversed and the economy was so bad in America that one couldn't find suitable work to feed and house their family while the stories of a Mexico right next door that provided health care, education, and so much more to its citizens were there to entice them, many Americans would just as quickly seek to improve their lot there.

Short of taking violent action against and denying them any humane medical help there is no way to keep them out. A giant wall is a fantasy akin to Alaska's bridge to no where - a giant wall to no where.

And who do you think would build it? I believe it was Penn and Teller that hired a bunch of illegals to build a portion of a wall exactly by the specifications of the wall proposed to separate Mexico and America and once it was finished they timed them to see how long it would take them to get through the wall - which they all did in a matter of minutes by digging under, going over (razorwire and all) and going through it.