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3-28-2009 12:04 AM
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jklugman says:
Look at the original Health Affairs article.

Percentage of USA adults who say that their health system needs either "fundamental change" or "complete rebuilding": 48+34 = 82%.

Comparable percentages for Canada: 60 + 12 = 72%
For UK: 57 + 15 = 72%
For Germany: 51 + 27 = 78%
For Australia: 55 + 18 = 73%
For New Zealand: 56 + 17 = 73%
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3-28-2009 2:41 AM
willhelm
The issue is not about the comparison. The issue is that social
medicine does not produce a utopian ideal that the left might suggest.
Why is the discontent so high among those receiving free heath care?
That's odd.
The fact that Americans would like there to be some
changes in the delivery of health services matters not one bit to the
fact that social medicine has solved nothing in the minds of those who
live under it. It further lends credibility to the fact that the only
thing universal about universal medicine is discontent, along with the
waste, unnecessary death and suffering, lack of capital investment,
lack of research and innovation, and ubiquitous red tape and waiting
lines.
If we...
3-28-2009 8:57 AM
tabsey
Can't speak for all Australians but I am very satisfied with the system that has saved me a couple of times at no cost. The people are dissatisfied with the fact that the care is not ideal. Mistakes are made and some could be avoided. It is a life and death thing that people have that expects medicine to be perfect. People bemoan the fact that research results are not immediately available and perfectly safe. I thank the research from past years.
It is a working system that caters for all, not just the fortunate who can afford insurance.
3-28-2009 12:36 PM
jklugman
Why is the discontent so high among those receiving free heath care?
That's odd.
What is odd is that more Americans are dissatisfied with the health system in the US than in other countries when the health system costs here are more than twice those in Australia, Canada, Germany, UK, and New Zealand.

From the Health Affairs article:

Per capita health spending (US $):
US: $6,697
Australia: $3128
Canada: $3326
Germany: $3287
New Zealand: $2343
UK: $2724
3-28-2009 12:54 PM
willhelm
Actually, what is odd is the continued insistence that the all-encompassing concept of _dissatisfaction_ inherently implies dissatisfaction of equal conditions. You have to be quite an ignorant person to continue to push the fallacy. Even I am dissatisfied with certain trifles like the fact that my insurance company would not pay for a colon cancer screening until I turned 40. That is different from the dissatisfaction of having colon cancer go untreated due to waiting lines, government red-tape and less options for treatment.
3-28-2009 1:03 PM
jklugman
Then it sounds like your beef is with Scott Atlas and the NCPA for using statistics based on ambiguous survey questions. Based on just this survey question, we cannot say what exactly Americans, Canadians, Britons want to change about their country's health systems.
3-28-2009 1:17 PM
willhelm
Based on just this survey question, we cannot say what exactly
Americans, Canadians, Britons want to change about their country's
health systems.
Which is still not the point of Scott Atlas's use of this information. Gee whiz, JK, are you really this ignorant? Come on!
3-28-2009 1:31 PM
willhelm
It has been 5 years since the committee struck by Health Canada to
study the issue of a national colorectal cancer screening program filed
its report.
1 This committee recommended screening for colorectal cancer for all Canadians 50 to 74 years old.
Wow, check this out. What do those in Canada have to complain about? And I only had to wait until 40 years old and pay 20 dollars.
3-28-2009 4:38 PM
kmcolo
Wilhelm, people on the wrong side of the facts usually turn to lashing out. And those that delete comments because those comments show them up are cowards. How then could a coward be more cowardly? By implying or saying that the deleted comments said other than they did.
3-28-2009 4:50 PM
kmcolo
Ah, poor wilhelm's ego could take no more. I am now no longer able to comment on his posts. Wilhelm, the ego stands firmly in the material world - repent.
3-28-2009 4:50 PM
jklugman
kmcolo: I believe you were saying something about how if Willhelm's ego was not threatened by your [url=http://clipmarks.com/clipmark/8777154F-3BD2-4ADD-A5C7-71FDEAFDF042/
]comments[/url] he would not delete them...unfortunately I cannot quote you verbatim because Willhelm deleted your comment.
3-28-2009 4:51 PM
jklugman
kmcolo: I believe you were saying something about how if Willhelm's ego was not threatened by your comments he would not delete them...unfortunately I cannot quote you verbatim because Willhelm deleted your comment.
3-28-2009 4:51 PM
jklugman
3-28-2009 4:51 PM
willhelm
Wilhelm, people on the wrong side of the facts usually turn to lashing out.
That is not necessarily true, but you are the one lashing. People on the wrong side of the facts do what JK did on this clip and what you cannot help but do on practically every clip where you disagree. The fact that it leads to your groveling emails apologizing for your idiocy is prrof you cannot help it. THAT is cowardly. Get help. You are seriously mental.
3-28-2009 4:55 PM
kmcolo
Sorry for the tangental comments...

Back to health care:
And they are all very different programs with some being government run and some not.
3-28-2009 4:56 PM
willhelm
LOL!
3-28-2009 5:03 PM
kmcolo
(sorry everyone about these comments but...) It is true, I did once email you to apologize for dropping you as a friend in facebook. I apologized (that you call it groveling is quite revealing) because, though we often did not see eye to eye, I still had respect for you as a person as you appeared to have certain standards that I respected. I was apparently quite wrong.
3-28-2009 5:09 PM
willhelm
Nice cover.
3-28-2009 5:19 PM
kmcolo
Projecting is a sate of mind - also of the material world.
3-28-2009 5:24 PM
jklugman
you appeared to have certain standards that I respected. I was apparently quite wrong.
Willhelm's lack of standards is blatantly obvious. The comment he just made here is just another illustration of that.
3-28-2009 5:26 PM
kmcolo
There you go, proving that you are more intelligent than I!
3-28-2009 5:34 PM
willhelm
The comment he just made here is just another illustration of that.
That would be assuming you know the nature of the email. You don't! Nor do you know the circumstance behind his tizzy fit that caused him "lash out".
3-28-2009 5:37 PM
willhelm
Projecting is a sate of mind - also of the material world.
You are a master. Admitting you have a problem is the first step to fixing it.
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