 ratcatcher2 says: Qaddafi tfa A key prerequisite for peace is the right of return for Palestinian refugees to the homes their families left behind in 1948. It is an injustice that Jews who were not originally inhabitants of Palestine, nor were their ancestors, can move in from abroad while Palestinians who were displaced only a relatively short time ago should not be so permitted. It is a fact that Palestinians inhabited the land and owned farms and homes there until recently, fleeing in fear of violence at the hands of Jews after 1948 — violence that did not occur, but rumors of which led to a mass exodus. It is important to note that the Jews did not forcibly expel Palestinians. They were never “un-welcomed.” Yet ... Good clip, RC2. Separate states will only perpetuate the bullying and the retaliation that follows. (This is an obvious understatement in view of the above pics and news of vicious actions taken.) Israel has taken a stance that will make it all the more difficult for anyone to sympathize and hence will find themselves on the wrong side of history. Much as Muslims around the World must police their religio/political piers, so must Israelis and Jews everywhere pressure extremists to halt the violence. It will not happen via outside forces. George Mitchell being chosen as the American special envoy to the Middle East gave me a revived hope of a settlement. Now with only 28% of the land available to the Palestinians and a border that resembles what a child might draw, that I rethought the two state solution. I concluded that it could not work. In so many ways Northern Ireland resembled the Middle East. The former Army Council commander of the IRA is now the second minister in the government. The DUP were as unlikely to share power. Yet it's working. George was a vital cog in that happening. Do you wish to exchange ideas further? Exchange "ideas", is that what you call this? Read your history, before doing the 'before' stuff. You must be completely insane thinking that under the current scenario one state somehow is possible. It's one thing to discuss things that are plausible, but this stuff, you're in the fiction world. Perhaps with col. qdaffy plan in hand - we should give California, Texas etc. back to Mexico? After all - it was their land, legitimately so, much more legitimate than the palestine/Israel situation. Heck, why stop there - let's just go back and give the entire continents back to the original inhabitants, after all - it was theirs before breaking it into countries. My Do you wish to exchange ideas further?... was intended for persons who had some ideas and not just waffle with nonsense. My George Mitchell being chosen as the American special envoy... former Army Council commander of the IRA is now the second minister in the government. The DUP were as unlikely to share power. Yet it's working. George was a vital cog in that happening.is all fact except "I concluded that it could not work" is clearly an opinion and the point of discussion. Certain, my Russian friend, if you had anything concrete to contribute, I'd read it. There are 4 possibilities only 1. No state for the Palestinians. 2. No state of Israel. 2... Very Good Clip and ideas, Thanks. I hate to poop on your parade here but ... was intended for persons who had some ideas and not just waffle with nonsensethat comment disqualifies you right there. Your 4 possibilities are a given, although your numbering could stand some improvement. For someone who defends arabs, you sure haven't learned their numbering system well. Israel invaded Gaza after THOUSANDS (did you get that one, THOUSANDS) of rockets were fired on them from Gaza. Very convenient of you to ignore that fact. As for other countries that you inanely think Israel would attack - open the old brain a bit - they would've attacked them already if that was their intent. But apparently even brai... More waffle and nonsense. Your 4 possibilities are a given, although your numbering could stand some improvement. For someone who defends arabs, you sure haven't learned their numbering system well.Waffle again. If you intend making a point, would you just write it down in plain english. I defend ALL who are bullied, it's the Irish way, a hang up of over past. Unlike the Zionist, when we were persecuted we did not in turn persecuted others but learnt to forgive and so matured into proper citizens of the world, unlike the Zionists, now one step away from cannibalism in their barbarity of deliberately targeting of children and their constant evoking of the holocaust images to k... My Russian friend, you must widen your sources broader than the Zionist lead media, all singing off the same hymn sheet. Your ... Israel invaded Gaza after ...is pathetic. Your remember when Georgia invaded South Ossetia and your former country, Russian gave that blubber mouth and his IDF trained army a good pasting and sent them running home in the same way that Hizbollah ran the IDF out of Lebanon in 2006? Do you remember also how the Western/Zionist media had it the opposite way around as to who did the invading while Bush was checking out the butts of the US volleyball females in China? Well this is the same. Surely even you would know by now after 8 years of ... Israel’s Lies London Review of Books Western governments and most of the Western media have accepted a number of Israeli claims justifying the military assault on Gaza: ©that Hamas consistently violated the six-month truce that Israel observed and then refused to extend it; that Israel therefore had no choice but to destroy Hamas’s capacity to launch missiles into Israeli towns; ©that Hamas is a terrorist organisation, part of a global jihadi network; and ©that Israel has acted not only in its own defence but on behalf of an international struggle by Western democracies against this network. I am not aware of a single major[b]... 22nd Dec 2008 Can the First Gaza War be stopped before it starts? "There's a moral problem here," says Brigadier General (Res.) Shmuel Zakai, former commander of the IDF's Gaza Division. "The basic obligation of a nation is to see to the security of its citizens. The factual situation is that the state of Israel is not doing so, where the residents of the south are concerned." The Israeli military is certainly capable of a Gaza conquest, and at any given time, Zakai, once Israel's top soldier in the Strip, said on the army-run station. "But the question that we must ask ourselves is this: 'Okay, we've conquered Gaza... Israel’s Lies The truce, which began in June and was due for renewal in December, required both parties to refrain from violent action against the other. Hamas had to cease its rocket assaults and prevent the firing of rockets by other groups such as Islamic Jihad (even Israel’s intelligence agencies acknowledged this had been implemented with surprising effectiveness), and Israel had to put a stop to its targeted assassinations and military incursions. This understanding was seriously violated on 4 November, when the IDF entered Gaza and killed six members of Hamas. Hamas responded by launching Qassam rockets and Grad missi... Israel’s Lies Israel seeks to counter these indisputable facts by maintaining that in withdrawing Israeli settlements from Gaza in 2005, Ariel Sharon gave Hamas the chance to set out on the path to statehood, a chance it refused to take; instead, it transformed Gaza into a launching-pad for firing missiles at Israel’s civilian population. The charge is a lie twice over. ©First, for all its failings, Hamas brought to Gaza a level of law and order unknown in recent years, and did so without the large sums of money that donors showered on the Fatah-led PA. ©It eliminated the violent gangs and warlords who terrorised Gaza un... his is how Sharon’s senior adviser Dov Weisglass, who was also his chief negotiator with the Americans, described the withdrawal from Gaza, in an interview with Ha’aretz in August 2004: What I effectively agreed to with the Americans was that part of the settlements [i.e. the major settlement blocks on the West Bank] would not be dealt with at all, and the rest will not be dealt with until the Palestinians turn into Finns . . . ... FORWARD Good article. A couple of the photos reminded me very much of the 2 recent incidents on the BART in San Francisco, Ca, between Bart security cops and some riders. The cops were captured on film (once on transit security cameras and once by a passenger's videocam) "executing" people they had pulled off the train, subdued, secured and, in one case, handcuffed while other passengers tried to stop them verbally. So, we seem to have our own little 'Gaza' with out-of-control militia right here at home. Depressing, isn't it? Meanwhile, I mourn for all the earth. Back in the early 80s, one of Col. Qaddafi's children was killed during a U.S. bombing. Does it ever end? While CM is perhaps not suitable for discussions of deep history, it is worth pointing out that the one state solution is neither gibberish nor an example of insane thinking. Such epithets are not helpful. Although the parties outside the region routinely refer to working towards a two state solution as if this is a goal based on a universal truth, the fact that Israelis and Palestinians themselves, along with regional partners, have seriously been discussing a one state solution for years, although very much a minority voice, suggests that the viewpoint should be worthy of examining in its full history rather than brushed off with insults. abailart, there are many people who come up with totally unworkable ideas (the minority you're talking about), there are also zealots like rat character here who strictly go by ideology & hatred, nothing more. There isn't a single reasonable bone in the man's body. These people aren't looking for 'ideas', look at his blog - that's clear enough to see what his agenda & ideology is and same crap is spewed here. There are 2 ways people resolve major conflicts - diplomacy and war. If Egypt & Syria, with major armies behind them couldn't defeat Israel when it was strong, the palestinians obviously have zero chance of succeeding using the war approach. Abbas has been somewhat forthcoming on t... nor are they interested in 1-state solution, with Israel (i.e. people who actually know how to run a country) running it, nor would Israel go for them running it (since they have no clue, as been shown time and again). Considering the hostilities that have been there for decades - chances of them running side by side are non-existent. That's reality. Of course if you want to entertain the idea just because a handful of people thought it would be a decent idea - you can, doesn't mean it's a possibility. After all, look at the communism and experiments with it all over the world - an absolutely pathetic failure, and that's not because it was invented by a dummy, nor is it due to lack of tr... http://historicalmeast.wordpress.com/ http://fateoftheirfathers.wordpress.com/ http://democraticdeficit.wordpress.com/ http://unholyalliance.wordpress.com/ http://ratcatcher2.wordpress.com/ Thank you RS, my Russian thick sculled friend, for reminding me of my Wordpress blogs that I not had time for since October. You can look forward to an article a day so all can judge their quality. Is this what you had in mind with your ... look at his blog - that's clear enough to see what his agenda & ideology is and same crap is spewed here.... sidewise swipe, so typical of your ilk, at me with? Have I not always clearly advertised my anti Zionism? I note that you are unable to repl... Reading history presumes competence in historical method, as too its presentation for scrutiny by those so skilled in such competence. The idea of mixing evaluation, prescription and sheer invective with the minimal level of such competence is ludicrous. But one could argue that you can't totally blame movement forward based on history. If that was the case - no country would deal with any other, since there were all kinds of wars and problems stemming back for centuries. Look at the Germans, Japanese, look at England and France. Yes, it's important to remember history and not distort or deny it, but it isn't the only deciding factor. In any kind of conversation, to get anything accomplished, there needs to be some sort of fairness and common sense applied. Any ideolog, like the ratboy here, becomes irrelevant in any kind of serious discussion, because they have inability for reason (otherwise he wouldn't be ideolog). I personally don'... |
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