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3-11-2009 1:17 AM
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3-11-2009 2:18 AM
n2sooners
They should have thrown in the added cost of fuel and all products where that require fuel somewhere along the line (which is pretty much everything). After all, companies don't pay taxes, their customers do.
3-11-2009 1:43 PM
Oortcloud
Hopefully ALL jobs supplied by the oil and gas industry will soon be gone as newer and less destructive energy technologies grow to replace them.
3-11-2009 2:12 PM
amgumen
Petroleum industry is not going to be gone as soon as you and me want it would be. Unfortunately, humans are not capable of creating anything new for replacement that would be less destructive. I do not know an example from the history. I do not think you should be happy about thousands of layoffs because those thousands will sure create more thousands in other businesses.
3-11-2009 2:27 PM
n2sooners
Even if there was some miracle discovery today of a new cleaner fuel, it would likely be many decades before a complete switch was made. You are talking about replacing every vehicle in America from personal vehicles to planes, trains, buses, trucks, boats, tractors and more. Then you must replace energy plants along with furnaces, hot water heaters, stoves, and even dryers in millions of homes across the country. And still you would have items that use oil and grease for lubrication or plastics for production.

And on top of all that cost, think of all that waste which will have to be dealt with. Millions of cars now useless, millions of appliances to the dump, all those other vehicles, and...
3-11-2009 3:32 PM
Oortcloud
We have the means to replace oil today. The only hold up is cost and investment. Electric cars are available and quite doable. Even if they were to remain viable for families and small business cars the decrease in oil demand would be significant. It would lower cost through transportation of the big rigs, airlines, and military.

To curb the increased energy load more electrical industry would need to be built (more jobs) using less destructive fuels (such as coal and oil) with more cleaner fuels (like dams, wave technology, nuclear plants, solar, etc) which would stimulate the economy as these industries grow.

The more investment and development away from oil and gas will grow the industr...
3-11-2009 11:53 PM
n2sooners
So, you think that vehicles which take hours to refuel are viable replacements? They are fine for some city commutes, but they are far from replacing cars and trucks everywhere. Hybrids are getting closer, but I have checked some out and in the $3 a gallon range, it would take five to six years just to break even, and that is if those numbers the dealership gives you are accurate (and they never are). And, of course, hybrids still depend on the oil and gas industry.

Solar energy will likely never be the sole energy producer for an area since it is expensive, takes up lots of valuable space, and most importantly it is inconsistent. Same problem with wind. A wind/solar combo might be better, ...
3-12-2009 12:47 AM
Oortcloud
One design, the Tesla, allows over 220 miles per charge. The charge time is like any cell phone or battery charger - you plug it in at night and its ready by morning. Most people are not going to be driving over 220 miles in a single day.

Hydro-electric dams have many miles of river ways in which they can be placed without causing any ecological damage.

Nuclear energy suffers from public ignorance. Most reactor facilities, after aggressive filtering and cleaning, produce around 1 ton of radioactive waste material a year. I challenge you to find any energy industry that produces less than that. But nuclear energy is...
3-12-2009 1:10 AM
amgumen
you plug it in at night and its ready by morning
Where does the energy come from? From what you call destructive energy technologies. This car is of the same pleasure but at least 5-6 thousands more expensive. Does it get greener?
3-12-2009 1:24 AM
Oortcloud
As I pointed out, the energy grid will have to be built up. This is what we've been discussing - the various technologies to supply the energy to the increased demand.

As with anything, the initial costs are going to be higher. Calculators that did more than basic arithmetic cost in excess of a thousand bucks when they first came out. VCR's and early video game systems where the same. But with a higher demand then production costs come down. Its simple economics.

The India Air car (runs on compressed air, gets about 900 miles per charge and allows speeds up to 96 mph) sells for about $18,000 American. It takes a fe...
3-13-2009 5:22 AM
Satchamo
The only thing that I can see coming out of this, is that people in western, rural areas will be forced into living in cities. There is currently no way that these "environmentally friendly" vehicles will be useful to someone who travels as much as 60 to 100 miles one-way to work every day--which is not uncommon in areas west of the Mississippi River. And won't that help the environment, to crowd us altogether? One of the pleasures of living West of the Mississippi River is the absolute space we enjoy! But that requires sacrifices of time when it comes to travel or the "you can't get there from here" round-a-bout travel.
3-13-2009 5:23 AM
Satchamo
And don't tell us to telecommute to our jobs--if only I had a fast enough connection to make that feasible! Everyone promises that we'll have that connection, someday, but I hope I live to see it.
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