A tool of control by the ancient intellectuals used to keep the lower IQ underlings in line with their desires by using Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt against them. Only if you limit "religion" to the Abrahamic, which is a common trend. Plenty of religions out there that don't follow your description. That is true. Even if not completely exempt of tribalism, the Dharmic and Taoic believes are of a more "spiritual" nature. Many other ones are even less confrontational. The problem is that Abrahamic religions account for about 55% of the world population, with Christianity alone taking 1/3 of the world population and -probably- more than half of the world resources. There is an eternal inner knowledge (hidden, timeless cosmic potential of information), which any man can attain in some degree. This inner knowledge is very clear on its own level of existence but also very evasive and corruptible when man tries to interpret it from his point of understanding. When some set of these interpretations became institutionalized it turns into – religion (or some kind of “ism”). Then in the course of time this institution slowly makes further corruptions of knowledge, because it works more and more just for enlargement of its own power. When I read BartendingBear comment my first association was not about religion but about much more contemporary social force: cap... Being a Christian, I completly agree with idea that "Religion" is a trouble that must be dealt with. "Religion" forgets what the purpose of what it's main purpose is. "Religion" is the continuious reminder of all the things one has to do, to be right with God. Sit, Stand, say this prayer so many times, hold this item and pray, remember to eat this, but do not eat that. Remember to wear this, but no that. As you can see it can be a bit daunting for to comprehend what the purpose of "Religion" really is. It gets bogged down in it's own mire of tradition, that it gets lost. That is why knowing Jesus is not a "Religion" but a FAITH. Faith with Christ is a one on one relationship. No vei... I believe that the idea of "religion" gets too bogged down in dogmatic behavior. Dogma is fine; it gives structure. But being dogmatic destroys the spirituality within that structure. isn't this post just a perpetuation of the us v.s. them mentality? just look at those who agree with you. As far as unquestioned i cant say that atheism is the most thought out way of thinking. As a matter of fact it seems to me the least. What do you dwell upon? What truths or perceived truths do you think about? The religions of the world cant prove their faith ie... faith needs to exist. The fact they believe in something they can't prove doesn't mean they aren't thought out. look at Christian history, some of the worlds best thinkers believed in something outside of them self. Einstein, Newton, Locke to name a few. It is not foolish to think that not everything great stems from man. isn't this post just a perpetuation of the us v.s. them mentality? I guess I'll weigh in with my response. There can't be an us vs them in atheism. Atheists are too diverse a group of people. The only thing they have in common is that they don't believe in god. That's it. You can't have an us vs. them if atheists don't form a collective, cohesive group. I think what the other posters like wiccantexan and kwonsu say are good points. Some "religions" are less dogmatic than others. All religions, though, IMO, promote ideas that cannot be objectively tested. Dharmic religions rely on karma, correct? How do you test karma? How can you prove it exists? Wiccans I've known believed they could affect the world through spells. If this is true, they should try for R... Wiccans I've known believed they could affect the world through spells. If this is true, they should try for Randi's Million dollar prize.*grin* Ol' Randi is looking for proof of primarily psychic claims, which spells really don't fall under. Of course, if they did, I'd do a spell to win the MegaMillions and never need Randi's prize. What I'm saying is that religion teaches that faith and belief are more important than trying to find the truth. It teaches that feelings matter more than facts.I'll agree to a certain extent, but now I'll come from my own area of experience. Wicca does NOT teach that faith/belief is more important. In fact, since our holy book is Nature, science plays a big part in how we view our spirituality. Our laws are the laws of Nature, which is physics. Wiccantexan, I'd like to learn more about Wicca. Sounds interesting to me. I know there's a group that meets here in El Paso, but I was leery of attending. You've changed my mind. Btw, LOL about Randi and the multi million dollar spell. ayame28, this is where I send everyone for a good solid overview of Wicca: http://wicca.timerift.net Feel free to contact me if you have any questions. and now, back to our regularly scheduled programming. "There can't be an us vs them in atheism. Atheists are too diverse a group of people. The only thing they have in common is that they don't believe in god. That's it. You can't have an us vs. them if atheists don't form a collective, cohesive group." In reality that is assuming that you take in faith that there isn't a God. However not everyone takes faith that there isn't a God. The existence of religions will always be a "them" to Atheists as long as people who believe in God exist. |
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