As for the rest of us mere mortals, the proper thing to do, quite
simply, is to tell the cop, "Yes, officer, here is my driver's license,
thanks for responding so quickly. Sorry, for the inconvenience I caused
you." And that would have been that.

Instead this racist imbecile, despite his academic credentials,
hasn't learned one thing about law enforcement: they are on your side
unless you give them attitude. When he finally presented his id, the
cops started to leave, but he couldn't leave well enough alone - he
just had to turn this into a racial incident so he followed them out
where he started screaming and ranting. That is why he was arrested -
he was being abusive...

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As for the rest of us mere mortals, the proper thing to do, quite
simply, is to tell the cop, "Yes, officer, here is my driver's license,
thanks for responding so quickly. Sorry, for the inconvenience I caused
you." And that would have been that.

Instead this racist imbecile, despite his academic credentials,
hasn't learned one thing about law enforcement: they are on your side
unless you give them attitude. When he finally presented his id, the
cops started to leave, but he couldn't leave well enough alone - he
just had to turn this into a racial incident so he followed them out
where he started screaming and ranting. That is why he was arrested -
he was being abusive and disorderly.

So he was not, as some morons like Ben Smith wrote that he was "reportedly detained for breaking into his own home."

Al Sharpton has vowed to show up to defend the Prof (2), but that won't be necessary: all charges were dropped (3) against this race-baiting moron.

Are you not white? LOL

I should have said 99.1% of white folks. Yes, I'm white, but I've lived and worked in black neighborhoods for a number of years. My best friend in the city lives in the projects, and I visit her there often. My neighbors call me "the light-skinned sister".

I've been witness to what it means to be black in America in a way few whites have. I've seen racial profiling and police abuse with my own eyes. Let me assure you that blacks are victimized all the time, even without being "uppity" (what a nauseatingly racist word choice by the author).

I've recognized my own white privilege and how utterly clueless I was until my feet landed on the south si...

Are you not white? LOL

I should have said 99.1% of white folks. Yes, I'm white, but I've lived and worked in black neighborhoods for a number of years. My best friend in the city lives in the projects, and I visit her there often. My neighbors call me "the light-skinned sister".

I've been witness to what it means to be black in America in a way few whites have. I've seen racial profiling and police abuse with my own eyes. Let me assure you that blacks are victimized all the time, even without being "uppity" (what a nauseatingly racist word choice by the author).

I've recognized my own white privilege and how utterly clueless I was until my feet landed on the south side of Chicago. I learned through research that my hometown was all-white by city ordinance until 1972.

So LOL all you want; I know of what I speak. I'm guessing neither you nor any of the "poppers" of this clip do. You can tell me if I'm mistaken in that assumption.

"Harvard Prof Arrested Trying to Enter Own Home" is not accurate.

SpirutalMonkey says:

ndd,
h ws nsde hs wn hme and hd shwn hs D to the cp already. It
ws when h stppd t nto pblic and dmndd th cp dntfy
hmslf by nme and nmber that h gt rrstd.

h, and ll
chrgs gnst HLG were drppd. If the cps hd lg t stnd n,
thy wld hve ht hm wth smthng t sv fc. Bt thy hve
nthng n hm.

And when the cops come and ask you to
identify yourself you don't get all uppity [yes I said uppity] and
refuse to do so because you think everything is about race.

Fctlly ncrrct. H dd dntfy hmslf nd prvd D shwng h ws wh h
sd h ws nd tht t ws hs wn hs. H gt...

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"Harvard Prof Arrested Trying to Enter Own Home" is not accurate.

SpirutalMonkey says:

ndd,
h ws nsde hs wn hme and hd shwn hs D to the cp already. It
ws when h stppd t nto pblic and dmndd th cp dntfy
hmslf by nme and nmber that h gt rrstd.

h, and ll
chrgs gnst HLG were drppd. If the cps hd lg t stnd n,
thy wld hve ht hm wth smthng t sv fc. Bt thy hve
nthng n hm.

And when the cops come and ask you to
identify yourself you don't get all uppity [yes I said uppity] and
refuse to do so because you think everything is about race.

Fctlly ncrrct. H dd dntfy hmslf nd prvd D shwng h ws wh h
sd h ws nd tht t ws hs wn hs. H gt rrstd ftr
gttng "ppty" (s th rgal thr rcstly pts t) n dmndng
the cp dnty hmslf.

nd yh, t s th wrd "ppty" n ths cntxt s xplctly rcst.

Bcs
"ppty" means "cting bv ns sttn n th scl hrrchy", nd
whn spkng n th cntxt f rce rltns n mrc blck mn
hv bn dscrbd s "ppty" whn thy ct nsffcntly
dfrntlly n the prsnc f wht flk.

Th riginal uthr s bvsly wre f th rcst cntxt, nd t dsn't bthr
thm. Th thr sms qt prd f the pprtnty t gt t s th
wrd "ppty" in rltn t blck man.

thnk tht sys smthng.

I really like your idea of removing vowels when you deem a post offensive. I deem this one whiny, dumb but mostly just condescending nonsense ---so you win a vowel free post too!

Enjoy

"I really like your idea of removing vowels when you deem a post offensive. I deem this one whiny, dumb but mostly just condescending nonsense ---so you win a vowel free post too!".

The operative words in Antara's sentence are 'YOUR IDEA", Spiritualmonkey. By your very own admission on your profile, you state that you use this particular method of censorship.

Now, while you may chose to use is when people are vulgar or abusive towards you, Antara, it would seem, is using it to stop the inane prattle on her clips by, in her own words, "one whiny, dumb .... etc".

Surely, she is entitled to set her own criteria for censorship? Surely she has that right and choice? Or, must she exercise thi...

"I really like your idea of removing vowels when you deem a post offensive. I deem this one whiny, dumb but mostly just condescending nonsense ---so you win a vowel free post too!".

The operative words in Antara's sentence are 'YOUR IDEA", Spiritualmonkey. By your very own admission on your profile, you state that you use this particular method of censorship.

Now, while you may chose to use is when people are vulgar or abusive towards you, Antara, it would seem, is using it to stop the inane prattle on her clips by, in her own words, "one whiny, dumb .... etc".

Surely, she is entitled to set her own criteria for censorship? Surely she has that right and choice? Or, must she exercise this method of censorship according to YOUR SET OF CRITERIA?

Now you are opposing HER METHOD which is actually YOUR METHOD.

The twisted logic beggars belief

michellezm said:

Surely, she is entitled to set her own criteria for censorship? Surely she has that right and choice? Or, must she exercise this method of censorship according to YOUR SET OF CRITERIA?

Actually, I think what Spiritualmonkey is advocating is that Antara abide by the Clipmarks guidelines as stated in the "delete comment" dialog box:

Please only remove comments that appear to be spam or that you believe to be unquestionably outside the bounds of civility.

If a clipper deletes comments that are neither spam nor "unquestionably outside the bounds of civility", they're violating the Clipmarks guidelines.

Spiritualmonkey deletes comments con...

michellezm said:

Surely, she is entitled to set her own criteria for censorship? Surely she has that right and choice? Or, must she exercise this method of censorship according to YOUR SET OF CRITERIA?

Actually, I think what Spiritualmonkey is advocating is that Antara abide by the Clipmarks guidelines as stated in the "delete comment" dialog box:

Please only remove comments that appear to be spam or that you believe to be unquestionably outside the bounds of civility.

If a clipper deletes comments that are neither spam nor "unquestionably outside the bounds of civility", they're violating the Clipmarks guidelines.

Spiritualmonkey deletes comments containing ad hominem attacks on other clippers. That's abiding by the guidelines.

Antara deletes comments containing ideas and opinions she disagrees with. That's not abiding by the guidelines.

So if anybody is making up their own standards for deletion here, it's not Spiritualmonkey.

Zizzy said:

It is perfect as well as brilliant, historic and way above your intellect.

Really?

WEB Dubois wrote about the Hitler's dictatorship and his treatment of the Jews:

"The Nazi dictatorship is absolutley necessary to get the state in order"

He also wrote in 1937 about the TOTALITARIAN state of Germany:

"there is today, in some respects, more democracy in Germany than there has been in years past.

He wrote while visiting Russia:

"I am sitting in Revolution Square. I stand in astonishment of Russia that has come to me. I may be half-informed. But if what I have seen in Russia is Bolshevism, I am a Bolshevik"

Duboi referred to t...

Zizzy said:

It is perfect as well as brilliant, historic and way above your intellect.

Really?

WEB Dubois wrote about the Hitler's dictatorship and his treatment of the Jews:

"The Nazi dictatorship is absolutley necessary to get the state in order"

He also wrote in 1937 about the TOTALITARIAN state of Germany:

"there is today, in some respects, more democracy in Germany than there has been in years past.

He wrote while visiting Russia:

"I am sitting in Revolution Square. I stand in astonishment of Russia that has come to me. I may be half-informed. But if what I have seen in Russia is Bolshevism, I am a Bolshevik"

Duboi referred to the best of his race as the "talented tenth". He was an ardent supported of eugenics. He said:

The Negro has not been breeding for an object. He must begin to breed for efficiency and beauty".

He supported Margaret Sanger's Negro Project, which sought to curb reproduction among the black population.

When a Leftist idiot calls someone else an idiot, you can be sure that he is revealing his ignorance. Leftists are not bright people. They are easily swayed by emotional manipulation and a majority of this under 40 have the maturity of a 12 year old.

This was plain and simple a case of gender-profiling. The neighbor said a man was breaking into the house, and the police targeted Gates because he is a MAN.

It's wrong for police to try to build profiles of people that commit crimes. They should just draw stick figures and ask if that matches the subject's description. That will work well in narrowing the possible pool of suspects. But then, skinny people will be unfairly targeted.

I guess the only solution is to just let people commit crimes.

A lot of poor blacks have been so enmeshed with the "victim" status declared by the likes of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton that they see no option but to accept crime as a career.

By the way, why ...

This was plain and simple a case of gender-profiling. The neighbor said a man was breaking into the house, and the police targeted Gates because he is a MAN.

It's wrong for police to try to build profiles of people that commit crimes. They should just draw stick figures and ask if that matches the subject's description. That will work well in narrowing the possible pool of suspects. But then, skinny people will be unfairly targeted.

I guess the only solution is to just let people commit crimes.

A lot of poor blacks have been so enmeshed with the "victim" status declared by the likes of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton that they see no option but to accept crime as a career.

By the way, why is Sharpton even taken seriously about anything since Tawana Brawley. Oh, that's right. He perpetuates the victim role, and allows Democrats to promise to save the blacks, also continuing the cycle of poverty and crime.

President Obama could do a lot to help blacks in America if he would talk about personal responsibility, but he won't. He tried, and Jesse Jackson wanted to "cut his nuts off". Bill Cosby did, and blacks criticized him for saying it.

No one wants to be told to put down their "security blanket", even if it is unhealthy. That's what the "victim" mentality is. It's an unhealthy security blanket.

@michellezm:

Now, while you may chose to use is when people are vulgar or abusive towards you,

Actually if you look through my clips and the comments I've deleted, they're for personal attacks (and only personal attacks). The vast majority have been attacks against other commenters, not against me personally. More than once it's involved deleting personal attacks against wilhelm.

I've deleted comments from both sides of the aisle, and given warnings to people from both sides who came close to the line.

I haven't deleted a single comment because the commenter expressed an idea I disagreed with. Not once.

My standard is about conduct, not content. And it's in line wi...

@michellezm:

Now, while you may chose to use is when people are vulgar or abusive towards you,

Actually if you look through my clips and the comments I've deleted, they're for personal attacks (and only personal attacks). The vast majority have been attacks against other commenters, not against me personally. More than once it's involved deleting personal attacks against wilhelm.

I've deleted comments from both sides of the aisle, and given warnings to people from both sides who came close to the line.

I haven't deleted a single comment because the commenter expressed an idea I disagreed with. Not once.

My standard is about conduct, not content. And it's in line with Clipmarks' own stated policies.

Antara, it would seem, is using it to stop the inane prattle on her clips by, in her own words, "one whiny, dumb .... etc".

As Lexica points out upthread, such a standard is not in line with Clipmarks own criteria for comment deletion.

Applying said standard is an attempt to stifle discussion, not engage in one, or even to moderate one.

Surely, she is entitled to set her own criteria for censorship? Surely she has that right and choice?

According to Clipmarks, no, she isn't and no, she doesn't.

Or, must she exercise this method of censorship according to YOUR SET OF CRITERIA?

Everyone is expected to abide by the same set of standards that Clipmarks sets out, as Lexica explained upthread.

I contend my actions have been in line with Clipmarks explicit policies, and that Antara's has been a violation of those policies.

Still waiting for a ruling from Clipmarks.

haha, I knew there would be a great Kabballe going on here on this clip.....I was at a party last night and unable to check in until now, so sorry, lol.

Glad yer all having fun

Monkeybrains?

I used your own devoweling tactic just to demonstrate how anal an action it is, LOL. Seems you didn't enjoy it too much

OH, and how is claiming the author supposedly "enjoyed" using uppity in a 'racist' fashion not a personal attack? IT IS. See, if you actually went to the source and read the entire thing, you would see why he used it in this way.

Your post was whiny and annoying.
Now, have I EVER deleted a comment from you before? HUH?
have I EVER deleted a comment from anyone you are aware ...

haha, I knew there would be a great Kabballe going on here on this clip.....I was at a party last night and unable to check in until now, so sorry, lol.

Glad yer all having fun

Monkeybrains?

I used your own devoweling tactic just to demonstrate how anal an action it is, LOL. Seems you didn't enjoy it too much

OH, and how is claiming the author supposedly "enjoyed" using uppity in a 'racist' fashion not a personal attack? IT IS. See, if you actually went to the source and read the entire thing, you would see why he used it in this way.

Your post was whiny and annoying.
Now, have I EVER deleted a comment from you before? HUH?
have I EVER deleted a comment from anyone you are aware of???
Yeah.....didn't think so, so you and your wife can stop the "Antara deletes comments she doesn't agree with" bullcrap.

I am glad you went tattling though, it fits in with the whole 'whiny and annoying' theme. Yay for consistency!

Maybe give my clips a miss in the future sunshine

OH, and how is claiming the author supposedly "enjoyed" using uppity in a 'racist' fashion not a personal attack? IT IS. See, if you actually went to the source and read the entire thing, you would see why he used it in this way.

I have clicked and read the entire piece. My opinion on the author's use of the term "uppity" remains the same, his son-&-friend anecdote doesn't change that. His Yes, I said uppity makes it clear, he understands it's a racially weighted term in this context and is announcing he doesn't care. We seem to differ on the interpretation of what that implies about the author.

Challenging someone on their use of language is not a personal attack.

Pe...

OH, and how is claiming the author supposedly "enjoyed" using uppity in a 'racist' fashion not a personal attack? IT IS. See, if you actually went to the source and read the entire thing, you would see why he used it in this way.

I have clicked and read the entire piece. My opinion on the author's use of the term "uppity" remains the same, his son-&-friend anecdote doesn't change that. His Yes, I said uppity makes it clear, he understands it's a racially weighted term in this context and is announcing he doesn't care. We seem to differ on the interpretation of what that implies about the author.

Challenging someone on their use of language is not a personal attack.

People don't have a right to be unchallenged in their opinions and stances, merely to have it done in a civil manner.

Ps: I must say however, that there is no mention of "devoweling" in the clipmarks rule book, and since I did not in fact delete the post, but merely used the devowling practice so favored by Mr. Monkey himself, I really don't see this as grounds for my being banned.

Actually, you did, strictly speaking, delete my comment and then repost it disemvoweled.

What you did was interfere with people's ability to read my comment on a public clip in order to disrupt discussion. Because you disagreed with what I expressed.

It's not the technique you used, it's the reason behind your decision that I take issue with.

Maybe give my clips a miss in the future sunshine

I see no reason to not engage in public discussion on public clips. You're welcome to comment on mine.

I'm not in favor of you being banned. I"m not looking to silence anyone's opinions. I'm arguing in favor of more, open discussion of controversial issues in a civil, adult manner.

I'd settle for CM reinstating my comment, vowels and all. And I'd like a ruling from Clipmarks as to what exactly is acceptable moderation practices, and what isn't.

Hey, if you devowel, so can the rest of us!

And we disagree on his use of uppity, it was clearly demonstrated by his story regarding his son that his did not get 'uppity' with the officer and therefore avoided the natural butting of heads that occurs when ANYONE gets an attitude with a cop--whites included.

Case in point, here is a comment from that thread:

I am a black guy who have been stopped by police many times (always for a reason). My experience has been that between civilized people. Once I was stopped in a bad neighbourhood for stopping to talk to some guys (all black) and receive a key from one of them. The officer thought I bought drugs from the guy. I completely understood the...

Hey, if you devowel, so can the rest of us!

And we disagree on his use of uppity, it was clearly demonstrated by his story regarding his son that his did not get 'uppity' with the officer and therefore avoided the natural butting of heads that occurs when ANYONE gets an attitude with a cop--whites included.

Case in point, here is a comment from that thread:

I am a black guy who have been stopped by police many times (always for a reason). My experience has been that between civilized people. Once I was stopped in a bad neighbourhood for stopping to talk to some guys (all black) and receive a key from one of them. The officer thought I bought drugs from the guy. I completely understood the police officers position and I compiled fully to his questions. When I explained I was just picking up the key (which was still in my pocket) and showed him the key he let me go. All in civilized orderly way. Yes I am black and the officer was white.
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There are plenty more stories like this.

Debbieslimyski:

As for you sneaking onto my clips YET again ---after banning me from your clips for no reason at all (when it was YOU who came to MY clips and called ME names--remember?, is funny as hell. Is this act not against the clipmarks rules itself???? Man you are so pathetic. You have joined in on this little "get antara" campaign just to try and exact a crumb of revenge for the humiliation you suffered during our last exchange, lol. Too bad for you this whole episode actually amuses me to no end, lol !
And you know what I also find so interesting....brightlight completely deleted posts that proved her wrong, and where was all the (faux) rage then? You (and your ilk) are such hypo...

Debbieslimyski:

As for you sneaking onto my clips YET again ---after banning me from your clips for no reason at all (when it was YOU who came to MY clips and called ME names--remember?, is funny as hell. Is this act not against the clipmarks rules itself???? Man you are so pathetic. You have joined in on this little "get antara" campaign just to try and exact a crumb of revenge for the humiliation you suffered during our last exchange, lol. Too bad for you this whole episode actually amuses me to no end, lol !
And you know what I also find so interesting....brightlight completely deleted posts that proved her wrong, and where was all the (faux) rage then? You (and your ilk) are such hypocrites! Why are you all not demanding that the posts on Bright-light's thread be restored?????????? Umm, cuz you could care less about the truth, that's why.

Ps:You wanna see whut the monkey scribbled? Just fill in the words with vowels!!! Easy, wasn't it?

@Spiritual:

Anatara again proves she? cannot think in any terms but black and white. It is extremely frustrating and a waste of my time to try to have any type of intellectual conversation with her that does not regress into trying to be led into juvenile behavior tactics and this is precisely why I blocked her from commenting.

I'm leaving this thread because she refuses to address if she did indeed remove your comment because it contained an idea that she disagreed with. I think that's a valid question; an important question and I think it speaks volumes about her that she refuses to repost your comment in it's entirety.

I can see that she will only try to further defect from the issue...

@Spiritual:

Anatara again proves she? cannot think in any terms but black and white. It is extremely frustrating and a waste of my time to try to have any type of intellectual conversation with her that does not regress into trying to be led into juvenile behavior tactics and this is precisely why I blocked her from commenting.

I'm leaving this thread because she refuses to address if she did indeed remove your comment because it contained an idea that she disagreed with. I think that's a valid question; an important question and I think it speaks volumes about her that she refuses to repost your comment in it's entirety.

I can see that she will only try to further defect from the issue by using my presence to bring up any other issue than the one you asked her. It's expected when one's argument is weak. Good luck and I hope you get an answer to your question from the Clipfather's. You deserve it.