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7-11-2009 4:58 PM
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7-11-2009 5:22 PM
willhelm
The problem with this, of course, is that it demands that this particular point of view be disregarded as not positively true. it is self defeating. They would like you to believe that the only foundational truth is that there is no foundational truth, which in itself would be a foundational truth, if true.
7-11-2009 6:00 PM
Antara
yes...would be comical if it were not such a widespread belief held by those WITHIN the Church itself. I spoke here before about certain professors of mine who hold that there is no such thing as absolute Truth, and some who even deny belief in Christ's Resurrection: yet still claim they are Roman Catholics!

Anyways, Newman's entire tract can be read at source....I find it almost spine-chilling that he penned this in 1879---and yet it could have been written 2 hours ago in terms of its relevance.
7-11-2009 6:41 PM
willhelm
Not to beat the usual drum, but the progressive era began in the 1880's, with it's most prominent period being the 1920s and 1930s ( that is, ...until now). So the agenda in academia is not new. They have been at the task of marginalizing faith for decades. The University has been the chosen stage for the Left for decades. The subject does not matter...theology, calculus, Literature, etc.. It is a stage for advocacy of all things progressive. It has intensified in the past 30 years. Schools were seen in the 60s as the greatest means to promote the dumbing down of the masses, which is required to mold serfs. I think Theology may be the only subject in academia that is taught by those with di...
7-12-2009 4:36 AM
Antara
What do you think the solution is?
7-12-2009 12:00 PM
willhelm
Conservatives, Libertarians, or those of faith, could mount a campaign similar to the one progressives, but which supports individual sovereignty over progressivism, but I don't think that is necessary.
I think people are inclined to logic naturally. I believe people are inclined to reason naturally. They just need to be educated. I am not one who believes it is possible to bring the entire world in line with a specific mindset, ideology, faith, or anything.
In many, if not most cases, it is easy to point out the errors in reasoning, like I did in my first comment. I believe more should do so.
Frederich Nietzche said: "there are no facts, only interpretations." He is considered a great phi...
7-12-2009 12:57 PM
abailart
The site from which this is taken states: "This site is dedicated to Our Blessed Mother, and I ask for her maternal guidance and protection." The article clipped has the phrase "Liberalism in religion is..." Are either or both of these fact based or refractions of 'truth'? Are either or both of them open to interpretation? May I, without errors of logic or reason, employ the concepts of liberalism and 'liberalism in religion' in a different way to the writer's use, perhaps beginning by indicating fairly swiftly the analytic (tautological) status of his truth claims?
7-13-2009 7:25 PM
Antara
Willhelm, thanks for that. It actually prompted me to see something that was bothering me in a new and I think, more helpful light.


And Mr. Abailart...you are free to do anything you like, lol
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