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7-1-2008 9:24 AM171 views
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7-1-2008 10:22 AM
tabsey
The experience of failure comes early and often. Absence, low self esteem, surrounded by failure among peers and kin. Why go to school and have all the negatives reinforced, not so much by the teacher as the lack of understanding and ability. Teachers do have to take a big look at the system. Attitudes ( I was spoken to because some aboriginal kids were "playing on the computer" when they should have been doing reading. They were actually doing research on an interest, which required reading.) must get away from the middle class, supposedly functional families type attitudes and teach the skills that the kids need to achieve somewhere in life.
7-6-2008 11:33 PM
dulios
Shakir is ten.
I think there are many causal factors for Shakir's non-performance in school; amongst them are Shakir himself and his priorities.
To blame a 10-year old child for "misguided priorities" is beyond the pale.

My friend's class is not a large one; she has five to eight students. She also has a teaching assistant, and between them, the kids receive a lot of personal, one-to-one attention.
I work with public schools in a low-income minority community, and there is NO classroom with "five to eight students" and a teaching assistant. I don't believe it.

It is more likely that "Shakir" goes to a school with 35 students per room,...
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7-7-2008 2:14 AM
Charlie Martel 732AD
Dulios,

I was a bit surprised when I found out not long ago that, in her 2nd career, my sister-in-law works at a public school doing one-on-one remedial tutoring with students who are having problems. From what I've seen, it's a middle to upper middle-class class place, but I'm sure there are certainly many nonwhite students there.

I agree it's hard to believe a regular class could have "five to eight" students, and this should have been explained if the story is true. Maybe it was a speciaI class for kids not keeping up? Or a school losing students (maybe from a declining population?) I only skimmed over the latter part of the article, but it didn't appear the author was going to explain ...
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7-7-2008 3:27 AM
dulios
while the Afro-centrics actually tell blacks they're even smarter
You'll have to provide some evidence for this claim, Charlie. Black pride is not about black supremacy. Supremacy is the white man's game - 300 years of slavery and segregation.

IQ studies
Studies have found there is no correlation between race and intelligence. Any correlation between race and IQ is heavily environmentally influenced.

One of my best friends is a working class black woman who recently got her GED at the age of 28. She probably wouldn't score as high as me (a middle class white woman who attended high school, college and gr...
7-7-2008 1:36 PM
Charlie Martel 732AD
Dear Dulios,

I'll try to work on finding a reference for that. I shouldn't have implied that all Afro-centrists claim blacks are smarter than whites, but only that a substantial number of them do; I suspect enough do that any literate black interested in matters of race would have been exposed to the idea, though I doubt there have been any studies that could speak to that suspicion.

Until then, I hope you're not embarassed when I say that I enjoy our little discussions. I hope I come across as well as you do (though to to that, I'd have to start providing references, like you so often do), so good-natured, logical, trying genuinely to be fair minded and discover the truth.

There are ma...
7-7-2008 1:41 PM
Charlie Martel 732AD
Dear Dulios,

I should have said that the exposition I referred to in the previous post is at the end of the discussion I linked to (it's kind of a long disccussion). It could also be found by going to the clip "Laura Ingraham: Right-Wing Radio's High Priestess of Hate"

Best,

C
7-9-2008 1:41 PM
dulios
Carolus Martellus,

I researched 732 AD, and your screen name and avatar make perfect sense now. I grudgingly admit that as a student of modern history, I'm somewhat ignorant to anything that happened before 1800...

I appreciate that we communicate here on CM, as the gulf between us politically is quite wide and deep. A recent clip of yours took me to the home page of the British National Party, and I must admit that doesn't happen everyday.

You assert in the thread you linked me to that white Christians are "racially devalued" in the West. This might be a good time to provide some links that demonstrate that. Without linking me to the BNP, please. And what exactly is an "advanced anti-racist'?



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