 boniface says: Missionaries say, "We've, inadvertently and intentionally, screwed over most of the indigenous peoples of the world. All we want is a chance at these new recently discovered tribes. We believe we can have the same degree of success with them." You would think the early success stories of North America's tribal indoctrination would have been inspiring to other countries. Of the whole of the America's really.... Let these people be, don't be so arrogant as to judge them by your own narrow minded standards. Missionaries say, "We've, inadvertently and intentionally, screwed over most of the indigenous peoples of the world. All we want is a chance at these new recently discovered tribes. We believe we can have the same degree of success with them."Umm I've heard people blame tribal abuse on the European powers, but never missionaries themselves... There are alot of missionaries around the world helping third world countries struggling with poverty, illness, illiteracy, and a whole host of other problems. I don't see anything wrong with trying to help those people out of barbarianism. "I don't see anything wrong with trying to help those people out of barbarianism."Barbarianism? How Euro-centric of you. They been doing fine without anyone's help. Why don't we just leave them alone? I don't see anything wrong with trying to help those people out of barbarianism.sigh! And therein has a lot of grief began throughout human history on this tired and ofttimes much misunderstood globe. Barbarianism? How Euro-centric of you. They been doing fine without anyone's help. Why don't we just leave them alone?II obviously don't know the history of this particular tribe, nor whether they're "barbarian" or not. I don't support the idea of forcing everyone into a "modern" life style where we're super educated running around in cars in big cities. I do support educating them on how to prevent disease, stop cannibalism, pagan worship, and tribal squabbles. I do support teaching them to read and write, how to make clothing, and anything else that could improve the quality of their life. Now if this is not what these missionaries are doing, then they shouldn't be allowed i... pagan worshipI don't think that is a threat to anyone. They should worship as they see fit. As for the rest, they seem to be alive and well, and clothed so I don't think they need anything from us. Considering the absolute failure of every attempt to civilize others, I would learn from them and leave them alone. It is not for us to decide how they live. "...stop cannibalism, pagan worship..."How do you stop the first, by stopping the second? Especially when these missionaries want to give them a religion (Christianity) that in essence teaches that Jesus left and said "eat me." There is nothing wrong with Pagan worship and it's a hell of a lot more peaceful than the "big three" Abrahamic religions. Do you have any idea how awful pagan worship can be? You have animal sacrafices, witch doctors, hunting other humans for sport. You should really read up on it instead of being so ignorant and saying "that's just their way". This is only one interpretation made by a particular sect of Christianity. And like I said before, if they're just trying to help them improve the quality of their lives, and present to them another religion (not force them, they should have the opportunity to decide for themselves though), I see nothing wrong with their actions. It sure is alot better ... Helping them improve their lives is one thing but does religion always have to be such a big part of it? "Do you have any idea how awful pagan worship can be? You have animalYou've got to be kidding? That's got to be the stupidest thing I heard in months. I'll give you an example: Tibetan Buddhists are pagan and yet, one of the most peaceful people on earth. As for me not having any idea about Paganism, well you need to read my profile. I AM PAGAN! I've been a Pagan since 1975 and I'll tell you what, you do a word search for religous-based crime on Google and what you'll find references to the Abrahamic religions, pe... Eucharist The Eucharist — also known variously as the Mass, Holy Communion, the Lord's Supper, according to doctrinal position — is a central act of worship in Christianity which commemorates or ‘follows’ the Last Supper as recorded in Matthew 26: 26-8, Mark 14: 22-4 and Luke 22: 17-20, in the eating and drinking of bread and wine, thought either to be or to represent Christ's body and blood. http://www.answers.com/eucharist&r=67 The Eucharist — also known variously as the Mass, Holy Communion, the Lord's Supper, according to doctrinal position — is a central act of worship in Christianity which commemorates or ‘follows’ the Last Supper as recorded in Matthew 26: 26-8, Mark 14: 22-4 and Luke 22: 17-20, in the eating and drinking of bread and wine, thought either to be or to represent Christ's body and blood.Some peopole believe the Eucharist to represent Christ's body and blood, not his literal body and blood. It's a representation of what Christ did for us on the cross, not a command to "eat him". You're the one who made the rediculous statement, not me. You... pedophile priest, pilandering ministers, crooked evangelists,I can't help but point out the fact that you obviously have a biasness toward what you perceive to be a Christian. Though you lump all "Abrahamic religions" together, you only mention crimes perpetrated by "Christians". Why is that? Helping them improve their lives is one thing but does religion always have to be such a big part of it?I don't personally believe religion should be the main focus, but shouldn't they have the right to decide for themselves? I'm being accused of narrowmindedness and trying to make them conform to "Euro-centric" ideals, but apparently there are those who don't consider these people intelligent enough to make their own decisions on the matter. "The Bible does NOT condone these things, neither does Christ."Have you even read the Bible? You would be amazed at the atrocities the Bible "condones." Do I really have to make a list of those for you? " Some peopole believe the Eucharist to represent Christ's body and blood, not his literal body and blood."Oh, ok, symbolic cannibalism. Let's just pretend we're cannibals. That won't help them either. "As far as paganism is concerned, I was talking about tribal paganism, not Buddhist monks."Then, you should say what you mean. Now that I know you meant "tribal paganism" I can respond to that. Tribal paganism is quite va... Have you even read the Bible? You would be amazed at the atrocities the Bible "condones." Do I really have to make a list of those for you?The Bible does not condone pedophilea, philandering, or crookedness. The Bible condemns these acts, as it does murder, rape, beastiality, child sacrifices, prostitution, theft, lying and cheating. Christ also admonishes his followers to "Love their neighbours as themselves" and to "forgive others as Christ has forgiven you." In fact I can personally think of no other religion that promotes kindness above violence or coercion into conversion. Oh, ok, symbolic cannibalism. Let's just pretend we're cannibals. That won't help them e... Child sacrifices approved by Christian God: Hosea 13:16, Numbers 31:17, Deuteronomy 2:34, Psalms 137:9, Isaiah 13:16 Prostitution: Genesis 12:10-20 Abraham is married to Sarah, his half-sister, and curries favor with Pharoah by allowing him to have sex with her. Genesis 30:1-11 Rachel and Leah battle for jacob's favor by giving him their maids as sex partners. Cheating: Genesis 30:31-34, 37-42; 31:4-5, 8-9 Jacob becomes rich by cheating his father-in-law out of his best sheep and goats. You know what? I could go on and on with this list, but I'm not going to. Read your fricking bible! It's loaded with stuff like this. As for Jesus and symbolic cannibalism: what... If you really want all the weird shit in the Bible spelled out for you, verse by verse, get this book: Ken's Guide to the Bible by Ken Smith, B.A. "As for Hitler being an evolutionist, wrong!"Really? you should check this out then. http://www.straight-talk.net/evolution/hit.htm In Mein Actually, if you look back, you'll see I said, "...you name it and Christians and Muslims commit the crimes."Yes but that's not what I was pointing out. I was pointing this out: pedophile priest, pilandering ministers, crooked evangelists,This is obviously only referring to Christianity, since Muslims don't have problems with pedophile priests, and they don't even have ministers or evangelists at all. I suspect that you're just more familiar with Christianity. Another reason I don't care for lumping all three of the "Abrahamic religions" into the same category. "Anyway, don't get me wrong, I don't condone holding one personHey, what's happened here? I agree with this. Hm. Missionaries say, "We've, inadvertently and intentionally, screwed over most of the indigenous peoples of the world. All we want is a chance at these new recently discovered tribes. We believe we can have the same degree of success with them."Well when you made this comment I assumed you were assuming that these missionaries would intentionally screw over these indigenous people just because that's what some have done in the past. That's because a missionary's goal is to convert and that screws them over. Simple huh? That's because a missionary's goal is to convert and that screws them over.Again, you lump all missionaries into a single paradigm of what you consider them to be, not even taking into account the individual. Not all missionaries are bent on converting others to their religion. Some are more concerned with raising the quality of other people's live. Whether that be physically, emotionally, or spiritually, regardless of whether or not they accept Christ as their Saviour. The fact that you consider these people too stupid to make a decision for themselves concerning their spirituality shows your own attitude toward indegenous peoples. Obviously you have a right to you... I disagree and I am not an ignorant person, I have simply taken into account what missionaries have done in the past. FYI I am done with this topic, neither one of us is going to convince the other to his viewpoint. Thank you for the dialog, it was interesting. |
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